How will Social Security be modified?

do you get obama was really a moderate?

and since when is present/opposition morality dictated by what we manage within a window?

you're saying you can wreck the car because dad missed his 72 day short window to extra insure it. that's effed morality.

also, surely you get the fakeness in a democracy where things can be changed at any point, of saying, well, it's obama's fault it was still 2 cents benefit, he could have raised it to 3 cents, when you're about to make it 0 or 1 cents. you could have cut it to 0 or 1 from 3 same as 2.

it's a democracy. own your own bills.

No we don't "need more workers." We're already the wealthiest country on earth. The idea that we "need more workers" is a myth pushed by corporations so they can save money with lower wages and "mainstream" "economists" (who work for think tanks that these corporations donate to) repeat this myth.

You might say that. You paid for it, you should get it back. My great hope is Trump messes up SS and Medicare so nobody will vote red again. Super unifyng issues. So far so good. Welcome Dr Oz.

people got very sick of trump part 1 and voted him out of office. that's what happens to presidents who act like modest victories are big ol mandates to do their wish list.

i say that because you're like, for 2 months a president with a thin majority could have done everything he wanted. not if he wants him and his party to keep getting elected.

yeah, based on the list of idiots nominated so far, this is a bunch of jacobins trashing the palace. this is not going to be well run. as it is most GOP governments have a market crash lately. i expect another 1 term job like he did last time.

a lot of the problem here is biden messaging and people have the memories of goldfish. specifically about 2020.

i don't want it. i just expect it. it's what happens when you, for example, no need for a driver's test or license to drive.

Ah Jeez.

Gonna blame the parlimentarian too?

Dems always have an excuse as to why they can't help us.

They sure can rush hundreds of billions to Urkaine, Israel, and the weapons makers though

Obama was a puppet of right wing billionaires.

Still is

Just like in the UK where the worst, most retrograde and cruel of the Brexiteers and 'anti-Browns' people are sons and daughters of immigrants. The newly converted are typically the worst among us.

Thread like this PROVE that right wingers are pure poison, a toxic brew of stupidity and abject cruelty toward others. Well MFers, you are about to find how quickly a craven, evil group of your idiot heroes can destroy what's left of this country. Here's hoping you MFers suffer with the rest of us. I want YOUR worlds to BURN DOWN.

The first MAGAt that bitches to me about how everything is crumbling, that they have no money, no SS, no Medicare, no reasonable healthcare, that their elderly parents are starving and on the edge of homelessness, I'm going to laugh in their MFing face and remind them THEY did this.

The FIRST people who will be left behind, for good, by this Kleptocracy will be the ruby red rural idiots who voted for what's on the horizon. I hope YOU suffer. Their world will burn first and I'm going to be there for it.

You have ruined this country and destroyed this democracy, you evil MFers. You can rot in hell.

Obama was/is controlled by Koch, Musk, Murdoch, etc? Newsworthy if true! Can you provide some examples?

Putting people into demographic categories, and allocating resources accordingly is not something the government can or should do. Every time the government tries to do something like this it ends in dispossession, suffering, and violence.

Makes you wonder if they are even trying to help people or of they know all along that programs like welfare are designed to nurture dependence (often along racial lines) and ensure that the normal resilience and culture-building mechanisms that people otherwise spontaneously deploy are properly hobbled.

Or you can discuss the details of continuing to kick the can down the road because of the short-run "needs" of people who have been rendered dependent and call that a "meaningful discussion." There is little less "meaningful" than bandaid solutions for such problems. The devil here is not in the details of how the program is run. It is that it exists at all.

If you name them, it gets deleted, for reasons you can probably guess.

Social security and medicare are easy programs to fix. Increase the payroll deduction and raise the cap on income for the payroll deduction and the program will be solvent for decades into the future.

Chipping away at benefits will be a disaster as more and more people are not saving enough (or at all) for retirement because of the high cost of housing, education and healthcare. If anything, social security should be expanded to provide benefits that actually cover housing, food and other necessities in retirement. Lifting the cap on the payroll deduction would help raise benefits.

The "right wing" and "left wing" monikers are not meaningful. And nor is the term "moderate." They seem to be tools used by government and media to keep people fighting among themselves while everything gets gobbled up by billionaires and corporations. "Moderate" is used to characterize ideas and actions on a similarly non-existent spectrum of intensity where divergence from what is characterized as the status quo is seen as undesirable, even if the status quo is either mischaracterized or itself undesirable.

Don't know about Musk, but the World Economic Forum loves Obama and sings his praises extensively. Look at the folks on the board of his foundation. Any billionaire philanthropists, lawyers, lobbyists, and cronies on there?

Newsworthy, if true? Has been written about extensively in independent media. May not have been written about extensively in media sources owned by WEF-member billionaires and other crony corporations. No surprise there.

If you're waiting on cronies to report their own crimes in their own media organizations you'll be a long time waiting.

But the thread is about Social Security, and not the degree to which corporate interests are driving policy though politicians in both the Democratic and Republican parties.

The right thing to do is to end Social Security, and minimize the degree to which government engages in theft from working people. There are other ways for elderly folks to be fed, which have historically revolved around multi-generational households that provide healthy meals and childcare. Of course in the Social Security, government education, welfare, taxation, and conscription world of cronies like FDR, the children are minded by the state, and fed by the state, and the elderly are left dependent not on their children and families, but on unrelated workers and bureaucrats. No wonder this nonsense totally unravels the fabric of society. Hard to imagine it wasn't intended to do so.

Nothing "right," "left," "moderate," or "extreme" about it.

The solution is ending Social Security outright and reorienting incentives so that families, and not governments, take care of their own.

It is more destructive now than it was when it started. As are all of the programs devised by bankers to render the population dependent on government, its fiat currency, and its ability to use violence to extract additional wealth at will.

forward.com

Mega-Donors Give Obama a Boost

@jdforward

President Obama’s re-election hopes received a major boost when two Jewish mega-donors ponied up a total of $3 million to pro-Democratic super political action committees. Qualcomm founder Irwin Mark Jacobs and Saban Capital...

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Wrong right wing billionaires.

Singer, Jacobs, Saban....how you're on the right track.

haaretz.com

Meet the Jewish billionaires shaping the 2016 presidential election

The Forward

A quick look at the list of top political donors for 2014 reveals a striking fact: At least a third of the most generous 50 mega-givers were Jewish.

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This seems bizarre and hateful, and if nothing else proves that the sorts of classifications that people are being fed are divisive.

I'm not sure what use having money is when its value gets eroded by bankers and politicians at-will. Maybe that's why the value of gold is still hovering at all time highs. The folks who run the government use money as a weapon against poor folks who are made to buy into their rapacious corporations and debt in order to simply save.

As for your panic at the suggestion of diminished bureaucracy, worker have taken care of their elderly parents, and their elderly parents have taken care of people's children since time immemorial. This idea that families ought to be fragmented and socially and economically disparate is perhaps a century old and was only made worse by the mass-media brainwashing of youth which began in earnest with movies and television. Were teenagers in 1885 "rebels without a cause," or was that a corporate strategy pushed by industrialists to sell more stuff -- houses, cars, clothes, etc...

If their paychecks aren't being gobbled up by Social Security, Medicare, the military industrial complex, welfare, and 'education.' Heck, if taxes go in half a lot of folks wouldn't fell like they need two incomes and wouldn't feel compelled to trust their children's minds to the government.

What about the divorced people with broken homes who have bad relationships with their parents? They can be a cautionary tale. They made bad decisions and nobody else should need to pay for them.

It is high time people are envious for their neighbors skills, family ties, and thoughtfulness rather than their new cars, or fancy vacations.