For the umpteenth time, you stupid troll, how many times has he tried to run as fast as he could in the 5000m?
For the "umpteenth time", why does he go for records at every shorter distance but not the 5k?
Have you tried looking at his season? At the number of times he raced? At the records he attempted? Have you maybe thought that in between all that he had to train? Do you realize there are no endless opportunities in the middle of all that to be in peak shape? No, you don't understand any of that because you are an armchair quarterback. You also don't understand that it makes sense to go for shorter distances first as he will eventually lose the necessary speed.
For the "umpteenth time", why does he go for records at every shorter distance but not the 5k?
Have you tried looking at his season? At the number of times he raced? At the records he attempted? Have you maybe thought that in between all that he had to train? Do you realize there are no endless opportunities in the middle of all that to be in peak shape? No, you don't understand any of that because you are an armchair quarterback. You also don't understand that it makes sense to go for shorter distances first as he will eventually lose the necessary speed.
It hasn't stopped him going for non-championship records (and the 1500 and mile). Maybe he knows some of the championship records are out of reach.
I’d say he’s doing pretty effing good lmao. He has 3 of the 10, and those three were NOT even remotely close. He’s just turned 24 and he has 3 — also need to consider this goal of his has official been in the playbooks only now for two full seasons, so he’s in good position. He loves the 1500. It’s his baby. He says he needs to go for the quicker records first as he won’t always have the top end speed, and they are the toughest. Not sure why you can’t just agree with that. Also not sure why you keep bringing up the 800? Not in the conversation here. He doesn’t run it. He never talks about it. But yeah, after 3 shattered world ‘unbreakable’ world records and a handful of European records and 4 global golds, it makes sense to say he can’t break 12:48. Im going to copy and paste this again so you can read through it once more.
I’d say he’s doing pretty effing good lmao. He has 3 of the 10, and those three were NOT even remotely close. He’s just turned 24 and he has 3 — also need to consider this goal of his has official been in the playbooks only now for two full seasons, so he’s in good position. He loves the 1500. It’s his baby. He says he needs to go for the quicker records first as he won’t always have the top end speed, and they are the toughest. Not sure why you can’t just agree with that. Also not sure why you keep bringing up the 800? Not in the conversation here. He doesn’t run it. He never talks about it. But yeah, after 3 shattered world ‘unbreakable’ world records and a handful of European records and 4 global golds, it makes sense to say he can’t break 12:48.
For the umpteenth time, you stupid troll, how many times has he tried to run as fast as he could in the 5000m?
For the "umpteenth time", why does he go for records at every shorter distance but not the 5k?
You know exactly why and are just trying to be contrarian because you love to troll. He is going after the shorter distances when he is younger and then the longer distances later when his speed starts to diminish. It makes perfect sense and he has said as much in several interviews.
I’d say he’s doing pretty effing good lmao. He has 3 of the 10, and those three were NOT even remotely close. He’s just turned 24 and he has 3 — also need to consider this goal of his has official been in the playbooks only now for two full seasons, so he’s in good position. He loves the 1500. It’s his baby. He says he needs to go for the quicker records first as he won’t always have the top end speed, and they are the toughest. Not sure why you can’t just agree with that. Also not sure why you keep bringing up the 800? Not in the conversation here. He doesn’t run it. He never talks about it. But yeah, after 3 shattered world ‘unbreakable’ world records and a handful of European records and 4 global golds, it makes sense to say he can’t break 12:48. Im going to copy and paste this again so you can read through it once more.
I’d say he’s doing pretty effing good lmao. He has 3 of the 10, and those three were NOT even remotely close. He’s just turned 24 and he has 3 — also need to consider this goal of his has official been in the playbooks only now for two full seasons, so he’s in good position. He loves the 1500. It’s his baby. He says he needs to go for the quicker records first as he won’t always have the top end speed, and they are the toughest. Not sure why you can’t just agree with that. Also not sure why you keep bringing up the 800? Not in the conversation here. He doesn’t run it. He never talks about it. But yeah, after 3 shattered world ‘unbreakable’ world records and a handful of European records and 4 global golds, it makes sense to say he can’t break 12:48.
It doesn’t matter what he says and a more realistic goal would be 7. That includes the 1500m so it will be very difficult. There have been several runners with 1500/5000m PRs that suggest they could have challenged the Steeple record, but none of them gave it a shot, and I doubt Jakob will either.
He will never approach the 10000m, HM and marathon WRs.
Recently read this thread and a year later Salvatore's post still seems pretty relevant in that he needs to go through 800m in 1:50 high to even have a shot at the 1500 WR. Closing in sub 40 seems unrealistic.
What does he set the lights to for the 5000m though? Can he do it going completely even through 3k in 12:35 pace (7:33) and just sit on the lights until the bell? Should he go through 3k slower so that he can close in a 55-56 second last lap, perhaps 7:37? Are the 5 extra laps from a 3k going to hurt him? I feel like given his 7:17 3k, 7:37 through 3k should feel "easier" and he probably can close in around 4:53-4:55 for the final 2k, does it really seem that easy? Can he still do this going through 3k in 7:33? Is 12:35 weaker than 7:17 or am I just delusional? What do we think is his dream 5k WR attempt?
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Good follow up to the 1500m question.
Here are some interesting patterns from his 1500/2k/3k/2mile PR's with respect to the final laps and the average pace he runs prior to hitting the bell
Monaco 1500m - 54.2 FL, avg pace prior = 55.5
Brussels 2000m - 55.1 FL, avg pace prior = 56.0
Silesia 3000m - 55.6 FL, avg pace prior = 58.7
Paris 2mile - 55.6 FL, avg pace prior = 59.6
The science behind what he is doing is pretty simple. The pace is set for him to get to 400m out under his threshold and they know his anaerobic power is sufficient to run these sorts of finishes relative to the distance he's run already (and the associated energy cost of that).
This is exactly how he would plan a 5000m attempt - I see no reason why they would err from the science here, especially as they know he has this superpower to make up a ton of time in that final 400m this way. Just keeping it relatively simple (as I know the above might seem complicated) I would really be keying off those 3000/2 mile data points and guessing he would be looking/be able to run in the high 56's/low 57's for a final lap given the increase in distance he has to run. Let's put the time at 12.35.0 so he needs to be at 4600m around the low 11.38's to be in with a shot. We know he's going to run these laps all dead even as he's basically done prior to the last lap in all his best races so that means he's looking at an average of 60.7 per lap for 11.5 and then opening up the burners in the final 400.
When you look at the 3000m WR where he goes a full 2 seconds per lap faster than this it would seem pretty attainable but, and there is always a but, it is another 2000m of running which is a lot. I really wouldn't know how to factor that in until I actually see him take on a 5000m and really try and run a time - which I still maintain he's going to need to do and fail before he would really have the experience to go after the record in earnest.
That's my hypothesis. They would set the lead light to get to 4600m in 11.38.0 and from there the rest is up to him.
You haven't mustered any better argument for why he hasn't run faster in 3 years over 5k. He "hasn't tried". Sure.
You’re still on this soapbox??? It’s simple.
1. Jakob hasn’t attempted to run a WR (or even a PR) in the 5K. All of his fast Diamond League efforts have been at shorter distances where he has performed ably.
2. Jakob is undefeated over the past five years in the 5000m with nine victories (excluding heats). His last loss in a 5000m was Doha 2019. In his nine victories, he hasn’t needed to run faster than 12:48 to win.
Until he is beaten in a 5000m, we should assume that 12:48 does not represent his true potential.
Your snide remarks are a poor attempt at hiding your ignorance.
You haven't mustered any better argument for why he hasn't run faster in 3 years over 5k. He "hasn't tried". Sure.
Even you have agreed that he most likely can run faster than 12:48.45. So, why wasn't he even come clost to that mark? The reason - and you know it - is completely obvious: he never has tried to do so.
You haven't mustered any better argument for why he hasn't run faster in 3 years over 5k. He "hasn't tried". Sure.
It. Was. Not. His. Priority.
That is the argument. Not my fault you are too stupid to understand how elite athletes have to manage their seasons.
It hasn't been his priority - ever, and certainly not in the last 3 years. Non-championship records have been his priority, as well as losing 1500 global championship finals.
You haven't mustered any better argument for why he hasn't run faster in 3 years over 5k. He "hasn't tried". Sure.
Even you have agreed that he most likely can run faster than 12:48.45. So, why wasn't he even come clost to that mark? The reason - and you know it - is completely obvious: he never has tried to do so.
It is immaterial as to whether he can run faster than 13:48. He hasn't. He's shown no indication he can beat 12:35.
You haven't mustered any better argument for why he hasn't run faster in 3 years over 5k. He "hasn't tried". Sure.
You’re still on this soapbox??? It’s simple.
1. Jakob hasn’t attempted to run a WR (or even a PR) in the 5K. All of his fast Diamond League efforts have been at shorter distances where he has performed ably.
2. Jakob is undefeated over the past five years in the 5000m with nine victories (excluding heats). His last loss in a 5000m was Doha 2019. In his nine victories, he hasn’t needed to run faster than 12:48 to win.
Until he is beaten in a 5000m, we should assume that 12:48 does not represent his true potential.
It doesn't matter whether you think 12:48 isn't his "true potential" - so far he hasn't run faster - and it in no way suggests he will beat 12:35. Winning tactical races doesn't translate to breaking a world record exponentially faster than anything he has run in over 3 years.
Even you have agreed that he most likely can run faster than 12:48.45. So, why wasn't he even come clost to that mark? The reason - and you know it - is completely obvious: he never has tried to do so.
It is immaterial as to whether he can run faster than 13:48. He hasn't. He's shown no indication he can beat 12:35.
Aren't you up in arms on the Burfoot thread about how he is an expert and so he is right and all of us, non-experts are wrong? Well, your countryman Salvitore Stitchmo has just given his expert opinion here and he believes Jakob can at least get very, very close to 12:35 So how about you are coherent and either shut up, or agree with the expert and admit that Jakob can threaten the 5000m world record?