This isn't a secret. Some P4 schools have 30 on XC team and 55 on track team.
This isn't a secret. Some P4 schools have 30 on XC team and 55 on track team.
Burn the House Down wrote:
It’s all business now and track is bad business. Even mighty SEC programs and other P4 will not move current scholarships or reduce them. Some will add, but not many. There simply isn’t enough money to go around. Also, NLI is about to be reshaped…the days of passing around collective dollars will be gone. Only legitimate fair market values will be permitted.
Hopefully you are right but the only way that can be done is with the involvement of congress.
Where is the evidence of this? can someone point to it? far bigger outrage would be happening.
Title IV still exists and there’s no way schools are collectively just going to ignore it and hope for the best.
we're are born and will die. The same for the NCAA and Univ Ath Depts. Now we will see the NCAA die. Now we will see the ath departments die. It's the cycle of birth and death.
I don't think they'll ignore Title IV, I think they'll add a few women's scholarships to match the increase they want to give football and they will cut men's non-revenue sports to make the roster spots match up. Women's rowing and XC will have roster limits, lower those rosters and you have to lower the men's even more to make up for football.
Title IV (federal funding rule) is not the same as Title IX (sex discrimination rule)
FL men's swimming will be cut in half and most other SEC men's teams will have to cut or reduce by attrition.
This is one example of how this is all going down. Buckle up.
Welp,
I just learned an enrollment school that i was initially told would opt out, guess what?
Just found out today they are opting in and if THEY are opting in then folks MOST schools will be opting in.
game changer indeed. D2-3 you are about to get flooded
Burn the House Down wrote:
It’s all business now and track is bad business. Even mighty SEC programs and other P4 will not move current scholarships or reduce them. Some will add, but not many. There simply isn’t enough money to go around. Also, NLI is about to be reshaped…the days of passing around collective dollars will be gone. Only legitimate fair market values will be permitted.
This won't happen - antitrust
implementation is swimming wrote:
FL men's swimming will be cut in half and most other SEC men's teams will have to cut or reduce by attrition.
This is one example of how this is all going down. Buckle up.
Lots of mention of cross country and track in this article
I feel for the kids that are already in college at schools that may get cut. This changes things for my kid who is a senior in HS but at least he still has an opportunity to now make a more informative choice, whether it is D3 or D2 (less likely due to academics). But if you are already at a school? It has to be a stressful time. Stay strong folks.
Is there any NCAA sport where the ratio of roster size to game-day participation is as high as cross country? If the average roster size is around 30 then then that means the ratio is more than 4:1.
Shouldn't rosters be smaller then? or increase the number of racers from 7 to 10 or maybe even more?
You are correct most rosters are smaller compared to the number of competitors at SOME schools (especially for women)
Compliance departments are going to have to do some real work. Forever athletic departments have used Track and XC to balance gender/ title IX/ graduation numbers. That’s why schools like Texas A&M, FSU, Minnesota in the past have carried HUGE women’s XC numbers. Minnesota was north of 70 some years.
For example, I worked at a university where there was a mass exodus from the volleyball team at semester due to a coaching change. The department need track to add 6 women within a week before indoor started. We were calling kids sisters and girlfriends to “walk-on”.
Track and XC I believe were the only sports with no maximum or minimum. You have to compete a certain amount of athletes in competitions to be eligible for post season but that’s the only requirement.
Most programs are profitable if you look at how they draw non-scholarship students. Even many of the scholarship students are on partials.
I can't believe I just read that baseball has a roster limit of 34. Seems weird to see TF at 45 when there are so many events.
I agree with you that they need to eliminate some events.
Keep in mind XC rosters are artificially large at a lot of schools for GPA and APR numbers. You get to count XC athletes in three different sports.
XC, indoor, outdoor. The athletic department games are going to come to an end which will be interesting.
Ever wonder how Track GOA and graduation were so high? Well it’s the 12 walk ons with 3.8 GPAs that only run the home meets carrying that load.
people are mentioning going all international or grad students, could crush the fake academic numbs
The little towns will privatize the college athletic departments.
They'll still be on campus.
But not apart of the school.
hsdhd wrote:
If you're a school like Bucknell, why not just go D3? For schools like that it doesn't seem like there is any point to being D1 anymore. What does D1 even mean now? Maybe carve out M/W basketball to stay in D1, but the rest would be better off in D3. M/W XC will never make D1 nationals again, but could be top 10 in D3 consistently.
A non D1 school can offer only 1 D1 sport per gender and it cant be football or basketball. To offer those sports you must sponsor a certain number of other D1 sports (5 or 7?). Maybe this rule needs to be addressed.
When the Big10 was swallowed up by Hollywood Streaming Behemoths for nothing I knew that was the end of college sports forever.