I see so many women who think they are 8s but are really 4s. They act like they’re the greatest thing since sliced bread. What happened. What happened to equality as they like to put it, their standards are so out of touch. I blame society for pumping them up whom do you believe or blame
It's not that they think they're 8s and are really 4s. It's that you think you're a 9 but are actually a 2.
the numbers thing is unhelpful. it's an adolescent's "on a pedestal" version of sex and relationships. how pretty are they, in a cliched sense, independent of are they sane, sexy, interesting, and fun to be around. has no one dated a conventionally pretty girl who is nuts? or has zero personality or is only interested in their own appearance? or while nominally "pretty" in some conventional "from afar" sense, zero sexiness up close -- a petite girl might be awkward and bony -- and is lousy in bed?
sorry but obsessing over 4s and 6s and 10s thing is teenage dudes with model posters on the wall. and 99.9999% of the time you aren't actually dating the poster girl. also, has no one had situations where you find someone pretty, you start talking.......and you 2 have nothing to say? zero compatibility, zero spark? like you stepped up or someone set you up, and she's listening, but there's nothing there.
real relationships, as opposed to the poster on the wall, it's more rounded than just how they look. to be real, you have to like the way they look. but maybe they are into the same things, maybe they like talking with you, maybe they they are fun to be around.
we gonna talk about that or are we gonna rate some girl across the room not talking to you and with nothing to say if you did, a 10?
and i am not saying gorgeous women definitionally lack something else. i have met some pretty girls who are a joy to be around. i am just saying how do you call someone a 10 you never met and figured out if you actually get along with. that's teenager stuff.
last, sorry, but at least some of this thread strikes me as paradoxical, as some dude saying he should be handed his 10, even if he's boring and doesn't take care of himself, but the 10 has to give up on her ideal man.
The answer is that on dating apps the very attractive men are hooking up with all the women, from 5/10ths on up. Repeatedly.
so those 5s and 6s women have a very hard time looking at ordinary men after that. They convince themelves that they can pull 9/10ths men.
but they can’t keep the 9/10ths men and will end up unmarried. Won’t ever settle for normal 3,4,5 men like they would have before the apps.
giant fail.
A lot of unintelligent men bring out the "end up unmarried" thing as if it's some terrible fate. Almost as if we were still in the 17th century when it possibly boy did mean penury and an early death.
Nowadays, a lot of effort men are realising that getting married and or having kids is actually quite risky to their physical and mental health, and also, if they are a high earner themselves, their wealth (obviously the men who think women are desperately chasing their 80k pa don't mix in the social circles where they meet women doctors, lawyers, those with inherited wealth, etc)
You're living in the past. "Ending up unmarried" is a good deal for many women. I'm married, and I can say that confidently. I've always earned slightly more than my husband and many of his friends, but I can see how marrying a wealthier man would have made my life easier. At the end of the day, all you men are offering is how nice you are, if you aren't competing in money. So it's really important that you can be pleasant on a day to day basis, and not make us run around after you too much, if we are contributing half or more of the family finances.
Getting married is actually quite easy for women, but if you marry the wrong person, it's way worse than being unmarried.
I don't think that dating somebody you find physically repulsive is a great idea. Also, a lot of guys mess women around, cancel dates, ghost them, try to do on and off, date multiple women and so on, and then complain when the woman marries somebody else.
And guess what? Ugly, poor men do those things just as often as rich, good looking guys. If anything, they are more likely to cheat when they get the opportunity, because they require more self affirmation and have less to lose.
There are certain phrases that stupid, badly behaved men use to identify themselves. "Ending up unmarried" is definitely one of them. So is the "cat lady" thing. Nobody with choices wants to marry a man who deals in cliches and Tinder. Meet partners through friends, hobbies or college, not dating sites, if you do not want to come across as a clichéd loser who hates women.
A lot of guys will be uncomfortable if the woman outearns him but a ton, but they are generally chill nowadays if she earns more than him by just a little bit. I think it's a power dynamic, plus wives who earn WAY more than their husbands are probably in different social circles.
I see so many women who think they are 8s but are really 4s. They act like they’re the greatest thing since sliced bread. What happened. What happened to equality as they like to put it, their standards are so out of touch. I blame society for pumping them up whom do you believe or blame
Peak Lets Run incels: "Why do women expect me to move out of my mom's basement?"
Yeah, and I don't think only being her "friend "was his choice
Of course not, I asked her out & was rejected. But since we weight train at the same gym & she just lives down the street from me, she offered to be friends. So, I figured what the heck since I'm middle-aged & widowed (2 kids). She was just coming out of her 2nd divorce & wanted to casual date for awhile. She was honest with me - I wasn't good looking enough, tall enough or rich enough for her (no surprises there). So, now I'm one of her beta-orbitors. 😆
Of course not, I asked her out & was rejected. But since we weight train at the same gym & she just lives down the street from me, she offered to be friends. So, I figured what the heck since I'm middle-aged & widowed (2 kids). She was just coming out of her 2nd divorce & wanted to casual date for awhile. She was honest with me - I wasn't good looking enough, tall enough or rich enough for her (no surprises there). So, now I'm one of her beta-orbitors. 😆
Who talks like this?
Yeah, if that woman actually said those specific things to him - unlikely - she is either the worst person in the world or this guy begged to know why she wouldn't go out with him and she finally said that to get him to leave her alone.
I can't get over the numbers thing. It's too funny.
The idea is that everyone who is a 6 is supposed to be willing to go out with or sleep with anyone who is a 7 or higher? It's so obviously, hilariously not how things work that I can't believe people use this idea. And the OP is mad that women don't play along with the rules of his made up game. Dating is about individuals and their preferences.
I guess the appeal of numbers is that guys think there is some group of "lower rated" women that they are entitled to by some natural right. Pretty sad.
The numbers thing is also way off for most people. A 5 should be someone who is neither attractive or ugly. Someone who is moderately attractive would be a 6. Most people label what would actually be a 6 as a 4 or lower.
Yeah, if that woman actually said those specific things to him - unlikely - she is either the worst person in the world or this guy begged to know why she wouldn't go out with him and she finally said that to get him to leave her alone.
She's not the greatest person when it comes to relationships - 2 x divorcee. She told me she has no female friends only male friends - which she prefers (something about she gets along better with guys than women).
And no, I didn't beg her to tell me why she rejected me. I was just curious & she said A) I'm not "attracted" to you in that way B) I'm 5'6", she's 5'7", her 1st husband was 6'3" & her 2nd husband was 6'1" C) she makes 6 figures & I don't come close to that & D) she has a master degree & I only have a bachelors.
We've been friends for 3 yrs now. The impetus of our friendship is that she's an avid weightlifter, non-competitive bodybuilder and I'm a former regional natural bodybuilding champion (over 20 yrs ago) that still trains in bodybuilding at the gym (I also work out with my 24 yr son once or twice a week). So, we train together once or twice a week on average, go out for coffee once or twice a month (usually after work outs) & text each other a few times a week (she likes to tell me about her dates she has from her dating apps that's she uses. Lol).
I'm also 12 yrs older than her. It's no big deal - she seems to like the friendship or I don't she wouldn't hung out with me the last 3 yrs. And no, never at one time did she want me to leave her alone. Lol.
I see so many women who think they are 8s but are really 4s. They act like they’re the greatest thing since sliced bread. What happened. What happened to equality as they like to put it, their standards are so out of touch. I blame society for pumping them up whom do you believe or blame
Peak Lets Run incels: "Why do women expect me to move out of my mom's basement?"
Men MUST do better. Get educated, focus on job and degree first, and then they will be able to be women's equals professionally. I also think Zoomer/Gen Y women are more ambitious. Most of the problem comes down to guys not being ambitious enough or taking advantage of what is around them. NO gaming, be hard, be disciplined, and get out and see people. Women won't date guys who are lazy or play video games in my experience--most women are busy getting MA/MS degrees, volunteering and working hard at corporate jobs (and/or) doing social media to boost their networks. Maybe men aren't as good as networking?
Most importantly, the way to success is build friendships first (of both genders) before pursuing women. That takes away the "needy" feeling that guys have. Learn to be busy/alone YOURSELF before you even date someone--be comfortable being yourself and not worry about it as much.
In NFL terms it's like teams drafting QB #1 overall and then having no team around him (Browns with Tim Couch), whereas by working on yourself, building a network of friends and building your team is a stronger base to work with helps, once you add FQB. Think of the Steelers, pre- and post-Big Ben (2003 and 2004).
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Yeah, if that woman actually said those specific things to him - unlikely - she is either the worst person in the world or this guy begged to know why she wouldn't go out with him and she finally said that to get him to leave her alone.
She's not the greatest person when it comes to relationships - 2 x divorcee. She told me she has no female friends only male friends - which she prefers (something about she gets along better with guys than women).
And no, I didn't beg her to tell me why she rejected me. I was just curious & she said A) I'm not "attracted" to you in that way B) I'm 5'6", she's 5'7", her 1st husband was 6'3" & her 2nd husband was 6'1" C) she makes 6 figures & I don't come close to that & D) she has a master degree & I only have a bachelors.
We've been friends for 3 yrs now. The impetus of our friendship is that she's an avid weightlifter, non-competitive bodybuilder and I'm a former regional natural bodybuilding champion (over 20 yrs ago) that still trains in bodybuilding at the gym (I also work out with my 24 yr son once or twice a week). So, we train together once or twice a week on average, go out for coffee once or twice a month (usually after work outs) & text each other a few times a week (she likes to tell me about her dates she has from her dating apps that's she uses. Lol).
I'm also 12 yrs older than her. It's no big deal - she seems to like the friendship or I don't she wouldn't hung out with me the last 3 yrs. And no, never at one time did she want me to leave her alone. Lol.
Keep her friendship strong--she could be a useful mentor for you. I do think the income thing is a detriment (esp. if she is making 100k or more and you aren't, although if you're at 80-95k and she's only a little bit more it's not bad), even if women won't come out and say it. At some point if they ask and they know they make more than you it could be awkward. Even if they don't know your income but know your occupation they could size you up. Many women nowadays rule white-collar roles--the world has changed for men and they need to adapt, or do what women do--go back to college and get educated!
Men may say "it's no big deal" but their nonverbals could give it away.
As friends, it sounds like a good, solid opposite-sex friendship. There's sometimes pressure and assumptions about opposite-sex friendships needing to turn into dates that should go away--let people be friends regardless!
sorry but obsessing over 4s and 6s and 10s thing is teenage dudes with model posters on the wall. and 99.9999% of the time you aren't actually dating the poster girl. also, has no one had situations where you find someone pretty, you start talking.......and you 2 have nothing to say? zero compatibility, zero spark? like you stepped up or someone set you up, and she's listening, but there's nothing there.
Absolutely. You know you're signalling when you post all this numberwang ****? Incel.
You're riding the dominance hierarchy like a mofo if you, even somewhere small and cornered within, that the plight of the average CIS hetero (and even NOT cis or hetero) male existing with a lack of social power, validation, choice, and immersed in anomie and implications of "stay silent and don't be a predator, work-horse", is worth ignoring, while the concerns of others aren't to be ignored
I see so many women who think they are 8s but are really 4s. They act like they’re the greatest thing since sliced bread. What happened. What happened to equality as they like to put it, their standards are so out of touch. I blame society for pumping them up whom do you believe or blame
lol uhh 4 is very low. Sounds like you are bitter because 8's won't date you, and so you claim they are entitled 4's to make yourself feel better that you weren't interested in them anyway, while this whining post makes it clear that you are lol. I doubt you are trying to date actual 4's so you are clearly talking about actual 8's, and just bitter. Your personality as coming through this post is probably the reason 8's won't date you. Get a better attitude.
I see other people on the thread talking about dating apps. Yeah dating apps are absolutely horrendous. Great for meeting people, but they've taught everyone that you can just keep swiping and going on dates with new people so they have destroyed actual relationship culture. I've never found dating apps to lead to relationships, pretty much only ever 1-2 week flings and then they continue sampling the never ending menu that is dating app choices. Though I've never experienced women thinking they are the greatest thing since sliced bread, just very flakey cuz of dating app culture (which I've also heard women say the same thing about men so it's just the downsides of dating app culture), so that is likely you pretending that's what they think because they aren't interested in you.
But I have had multiple women who have gone out with me from dating apps (who I am surprised were even interested in me because they are much better looking than me and they are no doubt getting tons of responses from much better looking guys) tell me I stood out because most guys on dating apps are awful and I'm actually a normal nice guy. OP, from your "think they are 8s but are really 4s" bitterness I'm guessing you're one of the many guys women avoid because of your clearly toxic attitude. Be a better guy and those 8's will actually be interested in you.
Dating apps are really tough on men when women find 80% of men unattractive. 😯 And less than 5% of average-looking men get matched on the apps. And people push back saying that it's not all about "looks" with women (yeah...right, maybe back in the days before dating apps & social media, but not in this current environment).
And whether with the younger generation or Gen X & the boomers, women on these dating apps have a list of unreasonable requirements & prerequisites to go along with meeting their looks threshold. Simply put, most are looking for a "Chad" to sweep them off their feet providing them with a fairytale romance.
Think I'm embellishing? Watch some content from "Dating Delusion's" channel where he analyzes the profiles of many women - both young & old - on these dating apps as well as some Instagram & TikTok material from these women. I shake my head everytime I watch one of his videos. I can't believe what I'm seeing - especially with the women in the older demographics. Unbelieveable!
I suspect there are women who would be great partners for you, but you don't think they are pretty enough (or thin enough, or big enough tits, or whatever).
Thats not true, men compromise much more statistically. Its in the data.
lol uhh 4 is very low. Sounds like you are bitter because 8's won't date you, and so you claim they are entitled 4's to make yourself feel better that you weren't interested in them anyway, while this whining post makes it clear that you are lol. I doubt you are trying to date actual 4's so you are clearly talking about actual 8's, and just bitter. Your personality as coming through this post is probably the reason 8's won't date you. Get a better attitude.
I see other people on the thread talking about dating apps. Yeah dating apps are absolutely horrendous. Great for meeting people, but they've taught everyone that you can just keep swiping and going on dates with new people so they have destroyed actual relationship culture. I've never found dating apps to lead to relationships, pretty much only ever 1-2 week flings and then they continue sampling the never ending menu that is dating app choices. Though I've never experienced women thinking they are the greatest thing since sliced bread, just very flakey cuz of dating app culture (which I've also heard women say the same thing about men so it's just the downsides of dating app culture), so that is likely you pretending that's what they think because they aren't interested in you.
But I have had multiple women who have gone out with me from dating apps (who I am surprised were even interested in me because they are much better looking than me and they are no doubt getting tons of responses from much better looking guys) tell me I stood out because most guys on dating apps are awful and I'm actually a normal nice guy. OP, from your "think they are 8s but are really 4s" bitterness I'm guessing you're one of the many guys women avoid because of your clearly toxic attitude. Be a better guy and those 8's will actually be interested in you.
Dating apps are really tough on men when women find 80% of men unattractive. 😯 And less than 5% of average-looking men get matched on the apps. And people push back saying that it's not all about "looks" with women (yeah...right, maybe back in the days before dating apps & social media, but not in this current environment).
And whether with the younger generation or Gen X & the boomers, women on these dating apps have a list of unreasonable requirements & prerequisites to go along with meeting their looks threshold. Simply put, most are looking for a "Chad" to sweep them off their feet providing them with a fairytale romance.
Think I'm embellishing? Watch some content from "Dating Delusion's" channel where he analyzes the profiles of many women - both young & old - on these dating apps as well as some Instagram & TikTok material from these women. I shake my head everytime I watch one of his videos. I can't believe what I'm seeing - especially with the women in the older demographics. Unbelieveable!
It's not a male/female thing, it's a class thing IMO. Women want to marry up sometimes. They will feel awkward marrying men who make less than them (if it's a big gap). If it is only slightly less it won't feel as weird. Men won't come out and say it either but emasculation is a thing....
I see so many women who think they are 8s but are really 4s. They act like they’re the greatest thing since sliced bread. What happened. What happened to equality as they like to put it, their standards are so out of touch. I blame society for pumping them up whom do you believe or blame
I see so many boys who think they are 8s but are really 4s. They act like they’re the greatest thing since sliced bread. What happened? What happened to patriarchy that inflated their value and made women dependent upon? I blame Joe Rogan and the like for continuing to inflate the punctured bike tire that is the frail male ego.
The dark ages are over, woman have value and you’ve got to do better than just having a penis to impress them now. Sorry.
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