Listen to the podcast. Deena acknowledges that. Her point is Keira knew that before the race but was still saying she was in PR shape which she obviously wasn’t.
exactly. do an entire build up, come in tapered and suffer an acute foot injury in the first six - 8 miles? At marathon pace? Please.
Look at her heart rate data for the race. It's on Strava. That's what going out too fast for your current level of fitness/ability looks like.
Essentially went out at her half marathon heart rate 167+, and made it 15k before realizing that wasn't sustainable. She slows down to her marathon heart rate 160ish at the end but pretty quickly realizes that's just too f'n slow and drops out.
If we had Sara Hall's data we'd probably see the same story.
Father time remains undefeated.
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Look at her heart rate data for the race. It's on Strava. That's what going out too fast for your current level of fitness/ability looks like.
Essentially went out at her half marathon heart rate 167+, and made it 15k before realizing that wasn't sustainable. She slows down to her marathon heart rate 160ish at the end but pretty quickly realizes that's just too f'n slow and drops out.
If we had Sara Hall's data we'd probably see the same story.
Father time remains undefeated.
That is not the reason she dropped out. She developed sudden onset of severe foot pain. This is a fact.
So did Deena not insult ASICS teammate Sara Hall who "only" ran 2:30 after all the build-up training hype, even made marketing promo videos?
I definitely admire both Deena and Sara still going strong at masters but Sara did hype it up.
I feel like Sara was honest about her performance- she has said she’s not sure why she performed like she did. She mentioned the humidity and that she felt she started conservatively. She said training had been going well.
So I’m not sure she hyped it up. She just expected to do better and is confused as to why she couldn’t deliver on the day.
You'd prefer an athlete pre-race, pre-game to telegraph the feeling that they aren't at 100% and that they're unsure of their abilities?
Yeah that's a smart competitive move.
That's a smart marketing move.
You'd be bitching that they were whining before the race even happened.
I'm beginning to realize that there's a whole lot of stupid going around
I think there’s a balance. Maybe social media doesn’t help Emma and Keira as they lay it all out there. I think Lindsay and Susanna are a bit more guarded. Then they just go out and surprise everyone.
You don’t need to be telling everyone you’re not 100% no. But if you know you’re dealing with a few niggles then saying you’re in AR shape adds unnecessary pressure. It’s ok to have big goals I’m sure the others did too. But they don’t share them in press interviews.
The logic in talking big may be something like "My appearance fee is predicated in large part on promotiing the race / generating interest. Other than stats-drunk LetsRun nerds, all anyone in interested in is records. Therefore, to get paid big, I need to talk big."
What a terrible take on this.
99% of the participants don't know what the AR for the marathon is or who the AR holder is. NO ONE except nerds on this forum care about records. No one.
Talking about breaking the AR while your injured before a race has become the MO for Bates and D'Amato.
When you talk big routinely and then don't back it up (or worse drop out of the race) it negatively hurts your brand.
Which is why you see all these responses.
Apologies, I could have been clearer -- There's a difference between knowing a record, and knowing someone is going for a record. I meant the latter. I couldn't tell you any swimming record, but if Ledecky is going for one, I'm interested. And I don't even *like* swimming.
Appreciate her explaining herself, but it’s a little disappointing in how she handled it unlike Saina let’s say who was more realistic and transparent. Also, do wonder why Bates changed course and raced in the buildup. Not that I’m against that in general, but feels quite risky coming off injury and into what would be your sole marathon of the year.
appearance fee is everything for these runners, especially Keira who is on her way out. Why do you think Ben true would only run NY as a marathon rather than a fast course? he got big bucks to just show up. Keira gets big money to show up for chicago, don't believe me find someone in her inner circle.
appearance fee is everything for these runners, especially Keira who is on her way out. Why do you think Ben true would only run NY as a marathon rather than a fast course? he got big bucks to just show up. Keira gets big money to show up for chicago, don't believe me find someone in her inner circle.
I’m just surprised that Ben True is getting big buck
Pretty sure you know you’ve been injured during your buildup in the press just before the race. And even then, I can understand being positive about your ability to push through for a good time, but why reference the AR if it’s obviously not realistic? Injuries don’t just vanish, especially if you’re about to race 26.2 miles on them.
Great statement question. I'm interested in knowing how and why we got here that some of our top athletes are not being upfront about true, realistic expectations. Is it ego? Sponsors? Deceiving competition? Getting answers about this can help us move past some of it and get a better state of affairs in our sport. Dealing more with reality over fantastic expectations can give us a chance to step up our game, and maybe sooner than later.
On the LRC podcast this week (came out early this morning), Deena calls out Bates and D'Amato for talking a big game prior to the Chicago Marathon. Praises Sullivan and Flanagan for backing up their talk. Refreshing to someone with credentials get frustrated with US marathons talking a big game and then running a mediocre time by today's standards. Its not just the LRC crew that is turned off by this :).
I thought I saw a few months ago that Nell Rojas was going to be running at Chicago. Was she injured?
On the LRC podcast this week (came out early this morning), Deena calls out Bates and D'Amato for talking a big game prior to the Chicago Marathon. Praises Sullivan and Flanagan for backing up their talk. Refreshing to someone with credentials get frustrated with US marathons talking a big game and then running a mediocre time by today's standards. Its not just the LRC crew that is turned off by this :).
I thought I saw a few months ago that Nell Rojas was going to be running at Chicago. Was she injured?
She’s not that enthusiastic this time about the race recaps. Wondering if we’ll get any more. One in a week. She’s not made it past the start line yet.
Deena’s calling them out is appreciated and that’s something she rarely does. She usually speaks very diplomatically about any athlete but it’s a very valid reason for her to do so this time.
Great statement question. I'm interested in knowing how and why we got here that some of our top athletes are not being upfront about true, realistic expectations. Is it ego? Sponsors? Deceiving competition? Getting answers about this can help us move past some of it and get a better state of affairs in our sport. Dealing more with reality over fantastic expectations can give us a chance to step up our game, and maybe sooner than later.
Regardless of the reasons for these bold statements, the hosting broadcasting company will get more viewers to stay tuned in longer in hopes of witnessing American history. This certainly appeases the broadcasting company regardless of the outcome. If these athletes are off pace, keeping them off the camera and out of the discussion keeps viewers holding on longer, hoping to eventually get an update.
She's right, the USA women got HUMILIATED. They talked a big game and ran bad or dropped out.
The top American was 12 minutes behind the winner. That's 27 seconds per mile slower.
Each 5k, the Americans are losing nearly 90 seconds to the winner.
Talk less, train more.
The 3rd American man was behind the women’s winner. Nobody expects the top American woman to be ahead of or for that matter within several minutes of the third American man.