Why is it that when Russia pulls this bs, they get banned from major events. But when Kenya pulls this bs, they just keep doping with no consequences beyond individual suspensions. Is it just a matter of political correctness?
At this point EA / African provoked a complex in your psychic.
How about wiping all medals/records you got before 1960?
Ive always been a huge fan of Kenyan distance runners and continue to be, but clearly drug use is now pervasive and its going to leave a very bad legacy on that nations running talents and achievements going forward.
Greed and the desire for riches in an increasingly competitive sport is the problem. Doping is the shortcut they are personally choosing to get there.
I don't blame coaches, these are individual athletes choosing to dope. I don't believe there is a systematic doping program in place. If there is its the worst one on record with busts happening almost monthly now.
AK is getting tough on testing which is why this is happening, and thats a good thing. Especially making sure that these positive results are reported out to media.
Kenya is a poor country and the temptation to cheat to earn a living is huge, so sadly I see this as a continuing problem.
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If you win an Olympic medal you have to dope. You also realize Grant ran for BTC right...? Like, you have to start living in reality here...
If everyone at BTC cheated, why is it that only Houlihan was caught? Does Tatis and Canó getting busted mean that all the Padres and Mets were cheating? Why are Kenyans getting busted left and right? With such high stakes and the government involved, they should have a state of the art approach to cheating.
With off season testing, there should be about a 10% chance of any one BTC athlete getting caught during a year, so there should have been a half dozen banned by now.
The U.S. top 10 ranges from 26:33 to 27:12. Who is clean on the list? Is Nico Young cheating? He’s only 20 seconds behind Fisher and probably isn’t in his prime yet.
A pro club. Normally no one gets caught. See Balco, see NOP. Houlihan screwed up, either over-eager or misdosed or used contaminated testo.
Or do you think she was the only one doping? Then neither her teammates nor her coaches would still support her.
Having said that, I don't think everyone at BTC cheated, but a) their stars and b) the most outspoken Houlihan "supporters".
As for who is clean? From what I have seen, over half dope at the top. So one can never say who is clean. I have come to peace with that, as long as there are at least semi-serious controls to keep the playing field somewhat leveled.
If everyone at BTC cheated, why is it that only Houlihan was caught? Does Tatis and Canó getting busted mean that all the Padres and Mets were cheating? Why are Kenyans getting busted left and right? With such high stakes and the government involved, they should have a state of the art approach to cheating.
With off season testing, there should be about a 10% chance of any one BTC athlete getting caught during a year, so there should have been a half dozen banned by now.
The U.S. top 10 ranges from 26:33 to 27:12. Who is clean on the list? Is Nico Young cheating? He’s only 20 seconds behind Fisher and probably isn’t in his prime yet.
Flawed logic. Only the very top BTC athletes would be getting tested more than 1-2 times per year. Shelby was getting tested the most of anyone in the US. That is indicative of a couple possible things: a) she was in AIU purview as a top athlete unlike most of BTC b) they saw something irregular and tried to bust her. It’s possibly coincidental she was getting tested so much even for a top US runner. You’ll notice many of the out of competition bans for Kenyan athletes occur soon after they get to a level where they are subject to random OOC tests.
Story of my life: in another thread I said she was obviously doping a few months ago and got down voted. Lo and behold the obvious truth comes to light. Pay attention ladies and gentleman.
Hip hip hurray Steve!!!!!! We did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I also knew she was fishy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If everyone at BTC cheated, why is it that only Houlihan was caught? Does Tatis and Canó getting busted mean that all the Padres and Mets were cheating? Why are Kenyans getting busted left and right? With such high stakes and the government involved, they should have a state of the art approach to cheating.
With off season testing, there should be about a 10% chance of any one BTC athlete getting caught during a year, so there should have been a half dozen banned by now.
The U.S. top 10 ranges from 26:33 to 27:12. Who is clean on the list? Is Nico Young cheating? He’s only 20 seconds behind Fisher and probably isn’t in his prime yet.
Flawed logic. Only the very top BTC athletes would be getting tested more than 1-2 times per year. Shelby was getting tested the most of anyone in the US. That is indicative of a couple possible things: a) she was in AIU purview as a top athlete unlike most of BTC b) they saw something irregular and tried to bust her. It’s possibly coincidental she was getting tested so much even for a top US runner. You’ll notice many of the out of competition bans for Kenyan athletes occur soon after they get to a level where they are subject to random OOC tests.
Would you cheat if you were a top American runner? If you get caught, the consequences are huge. Houlihan’s attorney said the ban has ruined her life and I don’t think he’s far off. She lost 4 years from her prime running years and a ton of income. If you google her name, nothing but doping stories pop up and some have “burrito” in the title. You believe that every BTC runner was willing to take that risk?
If everyone at BTC cheated, why is it that only Houlihan was caught? Does Tatis and Canó getting busted mean that all the Padres and Mets were cheating? Why are Kenyans getting busted left and right? With such high stakes and the government involved, they should have a state of the art approach to cheating.
With off season testing, there should be about a 10% chance of any one BTC athlete getting caught during a year, so there should have been a half dozen banned by now.
The U.S. top 10 ranges from 26:33 to 27:12. Who is clean on the list? Is Nico Young cheating? He’s only 20 seconds behind Fisher and probably isn’t in his prime yet.
A pro club. Normally no one gets caught. See Balco, see NOP. Houlihan screwed up, either over-eager or misdosed or used contaminated testo.
Or do you think she was the only one doping? Then neither her teammates nor her coaches would still support her.
Having said that, I don't think everyone at BTC cheated, but a) their stars and b) the most outspoken Houlihan "supporters".
As for who is clean? From what I have seen, over half dope at the top. So one can never say who is clean. I have come to peace with that, as long as there are at least semi-serious controls to keep the playing field somewhat leveled.
“Contaminated testo”…bro, you are talking out of your backside. “From what i have seen, over half dope at the top.” I can assure you that the only thing “you have seen” is what you’ve read on these message boards. You’re not some insider that has “seen” things. It’s obvious that you’re just making things up, but the question is why? It’s weird, dude. Stop doing it.
Would you cheat if you were a top American runner? If you get caught, the consequences are huge. Houlihan’s attorney said the ban has ruined her life and I don’t think he’s far off. She lost 4 years from her prime running years and a ton of income. If you google her name, nothing but doping stories pop up and some have “burrito” in the title. You believe that every BTC runner was willing to take that risk?
a) Who said "every BTC runner"?
b) Look at it the other way: no doping, slower runner, less income (less fame).
Shelburrito said that she earned north of $300,000 in her top years. The also rans are lucky if they make $50,000. So even with the bad luck of getting caught and "losing" 4 years (it's not like she has 0 income now), the decision to dope was most likely financially worth it.
Would you cheat if you were a top American runner? If you get caught, the consequences are huge. Houlihan’s attorney said the ban has ruined her life and I don’t think he’s far off. She lost 4 years from her prime running years and a ton of income. If you google her name, nothing but doping stories pop up and some have “burrito” in the title. You believe that every BTC runner was willing to take that risk?
a) Who said "every BTC runner"?
b) Look at it the other way: no doping, slower runner, less income (less fame).
Shelburrito said that she earned north of $300,000 in her top years. The also rans are lucky if they make $50,000. So even with the bad luck of getting caught and "losing" 4 years (it's not like she has 0 income now), the decision to dope was most likely financially worth it.
If it wasn’t everyone, why wasn’t there a whistleblower or an exodus? Anyone with a clue realizes that if a teammate is busted, everyone one in the training group will be suspected as well.
You didn’t answer my question as to whether you, personally, would be willing to dope.
Given that her recent employment, it seems Houlihan’s fortune is gone. Was it worth it?
Russia was state sponsored doping. The government actually had a department with doctors assigned that would assist in doping and beating tests. Kenya is not state sponsored. It's just extremely rampant private doping by athletes, coaches and teams. The government isn't going out and administering these drugs in Kenya.
It doesn't make any difference to the sport if it isn't government driven but their athletes are choosing to dope in the numbers they do.
As I mentioned on another thread, the risk/reward ratio has made it a no-brainer for them to do this. They really have nothing to lose and everything to gain. Truth.
Definitely. I would probably done the same. It's all about $. I'm sure there is a widespread paranoia among their runners because if you show up without the good stuff and someone else did, you go home empty handed. What the race organizers need to do is payout only 30% of the prize after the race. Then spread out the rest of the prize money over next 3 years. This is one way to remove short term lottery mentality.
What the race organizers need to do is to stop inviting Kenyan athletes to their races. End of.
Sheer numbers of busted cheats puts Kenya in the same league as Russia. Being not government sponsored doesn't make it any different. Ban them. It really is comical at this point. How many currently banned? Getting towards 200?
For distance running Kenya is in a much higher doping league than Russia ever was.
Mostly rubbish drummed up by jealous Swedes. Nurmi and a couple of other athletes put their names on an advert for Rejuven to make a bit of cash. It's just a placebo anyway, testosterone hadn't been synthesized until 1935, a year after Nurmi's last race.
Rejuven may have contained testicular extracts, as Charles-Édouard Brown-Séquard claimed in 1889 that these extracts could reverse aging. This has since been debunked as placebo effect. Modern analysis of testicular extracts from 5 dogs yielded a dose that was 4 orders of magnitude less (1/10,000) than what an avg healthy male produces in a day.
tldr: You'd have to eat about 100,000 dog balls a day to get a biological effect.
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