That would be an ideal solution. I do remember though one Italian road race attempting to do this quite recently, and local SJWs caused an outcry, accusing them of racism, and the race organizers gave in.
TBH, I'm surprised more athletes don't speak out against Kenya. Nick Willis was pretty much a lone voice in speaking out against the doping situation when he was running, but if a few of the top guys did, maybe even getting together and issuing a statement calling for a ban on Kenya, then it would put pressure on World Athletics and WADA.
Maybe it was true when he said it, and Kenya has changed. Renato also said around that time that he warned Athletics Kenya of foreigners importing a drug problem, and was told to go away.
Seems like this changed around about 10-15 years ago.
It changed when they actually started testing them.
They were testing Kenyans since before John Ngugi in 1993.
We can say the same thing about drugs. Some people need to believe in drugs, And this is why they continue to believe that people can do these otherworldly performances.
No, not 'some people'. Virtually the universal scientific and medical consensus, as well as obviously WADA, World Athletics, the AIU, just about every sporting body, and thousands of coaches and athletes willing to risk bans or even imprisonment because they are using them, and seeing the results.
But some krank on a running forum says they don't work because Russians (or Soviets?) don't run as fast as Kenyans (except that their female middle-distance runners did), forgetting that if drugs don't work, Russians (or Soviets?) still don't run as fast as Kenyans so it's a meaningless argument.
Please Brojos limit this guy to 10 posts a day. If you were serious about anti-doping, you would do that.
According to some other krank on a running forum ...
Still replying to yourself Hoady? Far more likely that they fear getting accused of 'racism', or simply the awkwardness every time they share a changing room or line up with a Kenyan athlete (which is every single race just about). Athletes are often more vocal when they retire.
According to some other krank on a running forum ...
You actually live in a fantasy world where the belief that EPO and other peds do not enhance performance is the general consensus among scientists, the medical community, athletes, coaches, the public, World Athletics, WADA, the AIU, and other anti-doping organizations?
You're not just as 'kra kra' as somebody who believes the Earth is flat, you're as 'kra kra' as somebody who believes they are Napoleon.
No, it isn't; if a group of people are systematically not respecting the rules of a competition over a long period of time, then they do not get to take part in that competition. It's a very simple concept to understand.
They were testing Kenyans since before John Ngugi in 1993.
+1
With phone calls the day before, or text messages weeks before, to make sure the Kenyans don't miss the tests. After all, always good to be thorough and test everyone as intended!
I don't know why they aren't banned. One problem I have is how many, over the last 10 years, have taken prize money on the US road circuit from clean runners.
I have a friend who paid his way to races around the east coast area and consistently lost to Kenyans- maybe 4-5 "B" team Kenyans took most of the money.
How many were doping and got away with it back then?
How many promising, clean runners lost to them and were driven out of the sport because they couldn't make a living?
You are so vocal against Kenyans, why don't you look at your own doped runners taking money from your clean runners? Ever heard of Christian Hesch?
I'm just making an example of the current situation. Look at how many Kenyans have been busted (while you name one) compared to other countries.
Then look at road race results- they are full of B team Kenyans and a few Ethiopians taking the money.
I want ALL cheaters caught and punished but this is excessive.
Still replying to yourself Hoady? Far more likely that they fear getting accused of 'racism', or simply the awkwardness every time they share a changing room or line up with a Kenyan athlete (which is every single race just about). Athletes are often more vocal when they retire.
You are paranoid. Everyone is Hoady now. Even you post as Hoady!
If Athletics Kenya can't afford to test ANY athletes, which has been the case for 2 months since the Olympics, they HAVE to be banned.
Kenya should have been banned from the sport a long time ago and athletes should not be allowed to train in Kenya period. However, if World Athletics does not want to do this there are other ways in which the problem can be addressed by the organizers in the sport who are interested in having clean competition:
Road race organizers could easily stop inviting Kenyan athletes to their races. Why are they not doing this if they are interested in having a clean sport?
If road race organizers keep on inviting Kenyan athletes to races, local government could also step in. A mayor of a town like Boston or New York could easily take a stance along the lines of "These are our streets which we are letting you use for your race. I don't want athletes who are cheating with PEDs to be on our streets, it's not a good look for us and sets a bad example for our communities. If you invite Kenyans to the race this year you cannot hold the race in our town".
Measures such as these would start to address the problem even if World Athletics does not do anything.
None of this is discrimination; it is just making competitors compete according to the rules in place. If Kenya wants to continue competing in the way they are doing, the Enhanced Games are open to them and they can earn money from that competition instead.
I wish road race directors would stop inviting Kenyans and ban them from running.
That's how you send the message if World Athletics is too spineless to do the right thing.
According to some other krank on a running forum ...
You actually live in a fantasy world where the belief that EPO and other peds do not enhance performance is the general consensus among scientists, the medical community, athletes, coaches, the public, World Athletics, WADA, the AIU, and other anti-doping organizations?
You're not just as 'kra kra' as somebody who believes the Earth is flat, you're as 'kra kra' as somebody who believes they are Napoleon.
When you say "where the belief that EPO and other peds" -- these are beliefs. We can debate for millenia about whose fantasy worlds are supported by which beliefs.
Imagine a mayor of Boston, Chicago, New York, etc., telling organizers of the marathon there that if they invite Kenyans they won't be able to run their marathons on your city's streets. I don't see how that's not discrimination but let's pretend it isn't. Discrimination or not, you're going to have loads of people claiming it is, calling you a racist, maybe demanding that you resign.
Imagine that none of those RDs do what you, the mayor, demand. Are you really going to follow through? How happy do you think you've made people who own restaurants, hotels, and various other businesses that get a chunk of those millions of dollars that tens of thousands of marathoners would have brought into the city? What you're suggesting is never going to happen..
But I do agree with you in general. If I was the director of a major road race giving what passes for significant prize money it would bother me to think that I'm paying it to people who have cheated to win it and I'd want to find some way of addressing the situation.
It changed when they actually started testing them.
They were testing Kenyans since before John Ngugi in 1993.
You do know that Ngugi was NOT tested in 1993, right? He refused to be tested when the tester showed up. I believe the tester was John Whetton, eighth in the 1500 at Tokyo. As a result Ngugi was suspended and that effectively ended his career.
They were testing Kenyans since before John Ngugi in 1993.
You do know that Ngugi was NOT tested in 1993, right? He refused to be tested when the tester showed up. I believe the tester was John Whetton, eighth in the 1500 at Tokyo. As a result Ngugi was suspended and that effectively ended his career.
The topic was "... when "they" started testing (Kenyans)"
Must have been at least early 1990s when "they" were OOC testing Kenya.
? John Ngugi didn't even know what testers were when they showed up at his house in 1993...
True. They’ve been bloated on EPO since Rosa started pumping them with it in ‘87.
Some myth busting:
Most of Kenya's busts are not for EPO (or ABP).
Kenya and Ethiopia started their world domination in World Cross Country, as early as 1981, and Kenya had been punching way above its weight ever since Kip Keino and Mexico City in the 1960s.
We also know that Finland and Italy and Russia were experimenting with blood-doping before it was banned.
It was also (unofficially) reported that, based on IAAF blood testing between 2001-2012, Kenyan blood doping suspicion was below average.
I remember an American athlete tested positive for DHEA (DHA) who claimed, in his defense, that he was taking it to enlarge the size of his penis... Good excuse, right?
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