re the hoops international students jump through, duh, you want to make sure their grades and scores are real, that they are college ready like they went to a domestic HS, that they read/write/speak the language of instruction, that they aren't criminals, and that they can get a visa in the country.
as i explained, i had foreign teammates. they are friends. they also paid to attend here.
i also studied in europe and paid through the nose for it compared to their own students.
my issue is you give out whole or partial scholarships, at some places funded with tax dollars, to those students ahead of domestic students. that's funding and who gets that reward. should americans be paying for scholarships that go to foreign kids. that's separate from admissions, being allowed to compete, background checks, credentialing.
again repeating myself, look up any school in the UK or other european country. there is usually (a) a UK price, (b) a EU price, and (c) an international price. 3 guesses which one US pays? and presumably that's after jumping through all the same bureaucratic hurdles you mentioned.
i mean, someone naively said, our education is for everyone. fine. pay full price. that's still nicer than they do to us. you want what they do to us, ok, sticker price for you is triple.
Athletic scholarships (and tons of other academic ones) are not funded with taxpayer dollars.
I’m not on with that “religious mission” stuff either. If you choose to spend your prime physical years serving people on behalf of your church, more power to you! But that doesn’t give you the privilege to then come back and compete against guys younger than you because you were busy building wells while they were training.
Question here: we're all obviously familiar with the Mormon missions and BYU, but are there any other examples of this? Two years (I believe it's two years at most for Mormon missions) doesn't seem all that unreasonable. Remember this entire conversation seems triggered by a 28 year old freshman. Those situations are very different. I think what had been said before is the easiest: your clock starts after you graduate high school, when you should enroll in college. Give a grace period of a year and leave the existing exceptions (religious and military).
I’m not advocating for limiting the admissions of international students or making college an age group competition, but can someone explain how an elite runner trains like a pro for over 5 years and makes it to 25+ without doing anything that loses their NCAA eligibility? What are elite Kenyans doing or not doing from 18 to 27 to lose or not lose eligibility to come run in college in the US?
Side question, if every Kenyan who had eligibility and the insta-ready fitness to be top 100 in the NCAA came at the same time, how many is that?
One policy would fix everything. The student athlete in question must have been attending a high school in the United States BEFORE the date they become eligible for recruitment. (Summer of junior year), otherwise you cannot be recruited to an NCAA team. Current athletes can be grandfathered in of course, but this way random 25 year olds in Kenya won’t be stealing scholarships from American high schoolers still in their teenage years. Kenyans can still run, they just have to go through domestic high school competition like King Ches did, or Charlie Hicks.
Or maybe American kids should just do better and not assume they deserve scholarships simply because they showed up
Tell me you know nothing about international students without saying you know nothing about international students.
The NCAA was formed because college football was unregulated and players were dying on the field. College sports and the college and university industry as a whole have never been for just Americans. I do not know where you get your info but you could not be more wrong. US colleges exist to educate people........regardless of their birth country.
As for international students, the hoops that they have to jump through to get admitted to US schools is much harder then domestic kids. They have to have proof of income, show bank statements, pass english proficiency test, and have their transcripts reviewed by independent firms that also meet the requirements of the NCAA, NAIA, or whatever association they compete in. To top it off they can go through this whole process and the person that they have to interview with at the US embassy could be in a bad mood and deny them the visa and then tell them the next available appointment is in 3 months.
Your argument is naive at best and to be honest completely unrealistic. Most large research Universities actively recruit the best and brightest internationals in not just sports but academics as well. Should those kids not be allowed? This whole argument is trying to find a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.
Research leads to something long term, athletics does not.
Those international academic students have to teach undergrad courses as well.
How many courses does Toby Gualter have to teach at NC State?
Tell me you know nothing about international students without saying you know nothing about international students.
The NCAA was formed because college football was unregulated and players were dying on the field. College sports and the college and university industry as a whole have never been for just Americans. I do not know where you get your info but you could not be more wrong. US colleges exist to educate people........regardless of their birth country.
As for international students, the hoops that they have to jump through to get admitted to US schools is much harder then domestic kids. They have to have proof of income, show bank statements, pass english proficiency test, and have their transcripts reviewed by independent firms that also meet the requirements of the NCAA, NAIA, or whatever association they compete in. To top it off they can go through this whole process and the person that they have to interview with at the US embassy could be in a bad mood and deny them the visa and then tell them the next available appointment is in 3 months.
Your argument is naive at best and to be honest completely unrealistic. Most large research Universities actively recruit the best and brightest internationals in not just sports but academics as well. Should those kids not be allowed? This whole argument is trying to find a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.
The fact that this post has any downvotes shows just how un-known the rules around international students at us colleges and universities are. It also corrects the record on the reasons for the existence of the NCAA. It certainly does not exist “to give kids in their state a chance at college athletics” lol. Thank you for sharing this accurate information.
One policy would fix everything. The student athlete in question must have been attending a high school in the United States BEFORE the date they become eligible for recruitment. (Summer of junior year), otherwise you cannot be recruited to an NCAA team. Current athletes can be grandfathered in of course, but this way random 25 year olds in Kenya won’t be stealing scholarships from American high schoolers still in their teenage years. Kenyans can still run, they just have to go through domestic high school competition like King Ches did, or Charlie Hicks.
So you would even keep out Canadians if they didn’t finish high school in the U.S….
And since you dislike foreigners competing, why are you okay encouraging them to come even earlier? You want them to dominate NXN and Footlocker?
Frankly it's a money thing. East African foreigners can't afford to live in the US and go to high school for 4 years, but in the NCAA they're not the ones paying. Big difference.
Yes. Just because they’re the same color as Americans doesn’t mean they are Americans. I’m not making an argument to “give the white guys a chance,” it’s about American nationality and nothing else.
One policy would fix everything. The student athlete in question must have been attending a high school in the United States BEFORE the date they become eligible for recruitment. (Summer of junior year), otherwise you cannot be recruited to an NCAA team. Current athletes can be grandfathered in of course, but this way random 25 year olds in Kenya won’t be stealing scholarships from American high schoolers still in their teenage years. Kenyans can still run, they just have to go through domestic high school competition like King Ches did, or Charlie Hicks.
For a country that 'believes' in individual liberty and 'freedom', you guys sure are protectionist
You should have 5 years to use 4 seasons of eligibility. There should be a strict age limit at either 24 or 25.
I don’t have a problem with bringing in foreigners but they need to be college age and we can’t keep having 7th year athletes with infinite eligibility.
One policy would fix everything. The student athlete in question must have been attending a high school in the United States BEFORE the date they become eligible for recruitment. (Summer of junior year), otherwise you cannot be recruited to an NCAA team. Current athletes can be grandfathered in of course, but this way random 25 year olds in Kenya won’t be stealing scholarships from American high schoolers still in their teenage years. Kenyans can still run, they just have to go through domestic high school competition like King Ches did, or Charlie Hicks.
Lol they aren't "stealing" scholarships. They are simply faster than Americans. AMERICAN coaches decide to give them away to better athletes.
See where UAlabama just committed FayettevilleMan's top female. Kind of unusual: maybe there was NIL or something involved IDNK? She's probably in top 5 Seniors in NY /'24.
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