“I got busted for doping, I didn’t run the world record or close to it in my prime whilst on the sauce, so the first thing I’m going to do is break the world record now a crucial few years older supposedly off the sauce.”
You can’t make this up. Probably the same self importance that caused the doping problem and maybe what will continue the doping problem. I hate that she’s pushing the narrative that she’s some kind of victim for being caught cheating and that she’s gonna make the heroic comeback she deserves. If she wants any semblance of respect/forgiveness from the track community which she clearly craves she should just come clean and enjoy being an also ran for the rest of her career, and show gratitude that she has garnered enough forgiveness from USATF and World Athletics to be allowed to do that.
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No seriously. I said in my post that I think it was probably the cause of the doping too.
I got dogged for it in another thread as i’m sure I will here too, but narcissism is extremely prevalent in high level athletics, and I think people think I am calling someone a bad person of sorts by saying they may have the disorder but i’m not, i’m just saying they are mentally ill. Narcissism on the surface looks like someone who thinks they are the best and can’t do anything wrong but what’s happening on the inside of a narcissist is the opposite of that and it’s a serious mental health issue that can lead to extreme self identity issues and depression. I’m not just throwing around the phrase on people I don’t like either.
Grandiose sense of self
Abuse of substances
Delusions of grandiose future accomplishments
Dishonesty about anything that could make one’s character look bad
Cheating to obtain goals
Doubling down on lies and forming elaborate stories to validate the lies when exposed
These are all narcissistic signs/behaviors that in my eyes Shelby exhibits, and when the lie all falls apart which it currently is, it can be horrific on someone’s mental well being. I have/had a close friend going through a similar thing but out of the public eye and I feel really bad for him. A year ago he had convinced everyone he was the best thing ever and had some kind of savior complex that a lot of people bought into, and now he’s losing all of his friends, his long term romantic relationship is falling apart, his family doesn’t trust him, and he’s spiraling out of control abusing substances and flunking out of school. He’s dropping all of the people that stuck by him because he asks them for advice and the advice they give threaten his ego so he’s deluded himself into thinking everyone is against him, and in doing so is turning everyone against him.
I personally think humility can help Shelby a lot, I think she’d be surprised at how much her former fans will be willing to forgive her and support her by just coming clean and talking about how much pressure she felt to start doping and prove to everyone she can still exist on the pro scene without doping. Probably a lot of REAL self actualization/realization to be had there too.
No seriously. I said in my post that I think it was probably the cause of the doping too.
I got dogged for it in another thread as i’m sure I will here too, but narcissism is extremely prevalent in high level athletics, and I think people think I am calling someone a bad person of sorts by saying they may have the disorder but i’m not, i’m just saying they are mentally ill. Narcissism on the surface looks like someone who thinks they are the best and can’t do anything wrong but what’s happening on the inside of a narcissist is the opposite of that and it’s a serious mental health issue that can lead to extreme self identity issues and depression. I’m not just throwing around the phrase on people I don’t like either.
Grandiose sense of self
Abuse of substances
Delusions of grandiose future accomplishments
Dishonesty about anything that could make one’s character look bad
Cheating to obtain goals
Doubling down on lies and forming elaborate stories to validate the lies when exposed
These are all narcissistic signs/behaviors that in my eyes Shelby exhibits, and when the lie all falls apart which it currently is, it can be horrific on someone’s mental well being. I have/had a close friend going through a similar thing but out of the public eye and I feel really bad for him. A year ago he had convinced everyone he was the best thing ever and had some kind of savior complex that a lot of people bought into, and now he’s losing all of his friends, his long term romantic relationship is falling apart, his family doesn’t trust him, and he’s spiraling out of control abusing substances and flunking out of school. He’s dropping all of the people that stuck by him because he asks them for advice and the advice they give threaten his ego so he’s deluded himself into thinking everyone is against him, and in doing so is turning everyone against him.
I personally think humility can help Shelby a lot, I think she’d be surprised at how much her former fans will be willing to forgive her and support her by just coming clean and talking about how much pressure she felt to start doping and prove to everyone she can still exist on the pro scene without doping. Probably a lot of REAL self actualization/realization to be had there too.
I 100% agree with all of this. I think that is a pretty fair and plausible hypothesis. Nice.
No seriously. I said in my post that I think it was probably the cause of the doping too.
I got dogged for it in another thread as i’m sure I will here too, but narcissism is extremely prevalent in high level athletics, and I think people think I am calling someone a bad person of sorts by saying they may have the disorder but i’m not, i’m just saying they are mentally ill. Narcissism on the surface looks like someone who thinks they are the best and can’t do anything wrong but what’s happening on the inside of a narcissist is the opposite of that and it’s a serious mental health issue that can lead to extreme self identity issues and depression. I’m not just throwing around the phrase on people I don’t like either.
Grandiose sense of self
Abuse of substances
Delusions of grandiose future accomplishments
Dishonesty about anything that could make one’s character look bad
Cheating to obtain goals
Doubling down on lies and forming elaborate stories to validate the lies when exposed
These are all narcissistic signs/behaviors that in my eyes Shelby exhibits, and when the lie all falls apart which it currently is, it can be horrific on someone’s mental well being. I have/had a close friend going through a similar thing but out of the public eye and I feel really bad for him. A year ago he had convinced everyone he was the best thing ever and had some kind of savior complex that a lot of people bought into, and now he’s losing all of his friends, his long term romantic relationship is falling apart, his family doesn’t trust him, and he’s spiraling out of control abusing substances and flunking out of school. He’s dropping all of the people that stuck by him because he asks them for advice and the advice they give threaten his ego so he’s deluded himself into thinking everyone is against him, and in doing so is turning everyone against him.
I personally think humility can help Shelby a lot, I think she’d be surprised at how much her former fans will be willing to forgive her and support her by just coming clean and talking about how much pressure she felt to start doping and prove to everyone she can still exist on the pro scene without doping. Probably a lot of REAL self actualization/realization to be had there too.
There are some other top athletes quite easily identifiable according to some of the criteria you describe.
Like her or not, she will be a force in the 5000m/10000m. Monson, Schweizer, Valby, Kelati, St. Pierre, Morgan, and now add Houlihan. Going to be a tough team to make in 2025.
None of these names are going to be relevant internationally and their highpoints will be making team usa.
It cracks me up to see your post. Someone accused me (an old person) of being Dominic once because I said I respected the hustle.
More likely, because you said in that post that a) "Dominic does a really good job" and b) "He does an excellent job". A bit much for one post, don't you think, rekrunner/twoggle, especially after this one podcast with that drug cheat?
And then you added the childish "Hating on the pod and Dominic is ludicrous though" - just because many here are unhappy how he praises that drug cheat and laughs at those who call her out for her cheating. You sure you are old?
As for the podcast, I am a bit surprised the timing didn't come up. The rules say that the doper may start training with their team some three months prior to the expiration of the ban. That should be very soon, and she still hasn't (officially) signed with BTC?
Valid argument. Although I have always said....People being mad at lance because "he lied" (more than the doping) is silly. When you take a banned substance, its kind of required that you lie about it right? That's how it works. Now insisting too hard and dragging other's in by crowdfunding (Floyd) and ruining careers (Lance) is bad I will say. I think Shelby did the requisite- go to court and get it overturned on a technicality- that is also becoming the norm.
I agree that the cheating is itself a form of a lie (a performance of a lie). All cheaters are de facto liars.
But I think most people rightfully hated Lance Armstrong because he was also willing to destroy good people who were honest, truthful, and asking the right questions.
If a 23 year old massage therapist finds EPO and 'roids in your hotel room and takes it to the team director (as she should), you can't savagely destroy that LMT and make her lose her job, force her out of her career, derail her life and then sue her for defamation.
That kind of stuff is why people hate Armstrong.
Well I think that's true. Ive seen at least 3 lance documentaries and one thing that comes through is he is crazy talented, crazy crazy competitive, and has the biggest chip on his shoulder of all time- which also makes him a bit of a jerk baseline. Combined with zero upbringing, I think you get a guy who dopes like everyone else did (But be the best at it), and wants to be the best and hiding it, and the best at waging war on everyone who is "against" him. It really comes through in those docs, if he doped and wasn't winning, I don't think you get the aggressive attacks on people who seek to out him. But once its on....its on...and you just get further and further down the hole the more tours you win...not to mention the biggest cancer foundation in history relying on you. Im not sure any of us know that kind of pressure. His story really puts a point on the issue of doping. To call it cheating is silly. It's breaking the rules. The Tour allowed everyone to dope.
“I got busted for doping, I didn’t run the world record or close to it in my prime whilst on the sauce, so the first thing I’m going to do is break the world record now a crucial few years older supposedly off the sauce.”
You can’t make this up. Probably the same self importance that caused the doping problem and maybe what will continue the doping problem. I hate that she’s pushing the narrative that she’s some kind of victim for being caught cheating and that she’s gonna make the heroic comeback she deserves. If she wants any semblance of respect/forgiveness from the track community which she clearly craves she should just come clean and enjoy being an also ran for the rest of her career, and show gratitude that she has garnered enough forgiveness from USATF and World Athletics to be allowed to do that.
Actually, you did indeed just make that up. Shelby didn't say anything remotely close to that quote because she denies doping. So your post is made up.
They have the longest and most painful boring conversation about shoes possible. It's meandering and boring and lasts most of the podcast…
The super shoes discussion is fascinating because of the dichotomy with doping. If she truly believes what she says about super shoes, there’s no way she doped intentionally. If she did dope intentionally, the facade she puts up about super shoes not being fair is incredibly detailed and premeditated.
Oh, and I think the podcast is very solid. He doesn’t go into the details of the ban, but refers to his prior podcast that did. In this podcast, he mentions the ban numerous times and does not hide the issue at all.
She believes everyone dopes and she justifies her own doping morally by not racing in supershoes. She's a fraud and it's disgusting. This is the best case for lifetime bans. She's not apologetic, she doesn't accept her ban and had ZERO legitimate reason for the banned substances in her system. I can't believe there's people here defending this incorrigible excuse for a competitor. Her behavior shows a complete disregard for a 4 year ban which means the guidelines may need revision. Just ban them until they're aged out.
No seriously. I said in my post that I think it was probably the cause of the doping too.
I got dogged for it in another thread as i’m sure I will here too, but narcissism is extremely prevalent in high level athletics, and I think people think I am calling someone a bad person of sorts by saying they may have the disorder but i’m not, i’m just saying they are mentally ill. Narcissism on the surface looks like someone who thinks they are the best and can’t do anything wrong but what’s happening on the inside of a narcissist is the opposite of that and it’s a serious mental health issue that can lead to extreme self identity issues and depression. I’m not just throwing around the phrase on people I don’t like either.
Grandiose sense of self
Abuse of substances
Delusions of grandiose future accomplishments
Dishonesty about anything that could make one’s character look bad
Cheating to obtain goals
Doubling down on lies and forming elaborate stories to validate the lies when exposed
These are all narcissistic signs/behaviors that in my eyes Shelby exhibits, and when the lie all falls apart which it currently is, it can be horrific on someone’s mental well being. I have/had a close friend going through a similar thing but out of the public eye and I feel really bad for him. A year ago he had convinced everyone he was the best thing ever and had some kind of savior complex that a lot of people bought into, and now he’s losing all of his friends, his long term romantic relationship is falling apart, his family doesn’t trust him, and he’s spiraling out of control abusing substances and flunking out of school. He’s dropping all of the people that stuck by him because he asks them for advice and the advice they give threaten his ego so he’s deluded himself into thinking everyone is against him, and in doing so is turning everyone against him.
I personally think humility can help Shelby a lot, I think she’d be surprised at how much her former fans will be willing to forgive her and support her by just coming clean and talking about how much pressure she felt to start doping and prove to everyone she can still exist on the pro scene without doping. Probably a lot of REAL self actualization/realization to be had there too.
You got dogged because your armchair psychological "analysis" is absurd. By your theory, any professional athlete who denies doping is a narcissist. Absurd.
"Delusions of grandiose future accomplishments" and "grandiose sense of self" are things that can be said about almost all professional athletes. Who even tries to become a professional athlete unless they believe they can achieve great things? People might have accused Kenneth Rooks of having "delusions of grandiose future accomplishments" for thinking he could medal at the Olympics before he did it.
The women's indoor mile world record is 4:13.31. That is equivalent to a 3:54.61 1500. Shelby has run 3:54.99 outdoors, so it is not a stretch for her to think that she is capable of running the equivalent of less than four-tenths of a second faster indoors.
“I got busted for doping, I didn’t run the world record or close to it in my prime whilst on the sauce, so the first thing I’m going to do is break the world record now a crucial few years older supposedly off the sauce.”
You can’t make this up. Probably the same self importance that caused the doping problem and maybe what will continue the doping problem. I hate that she’s pushing the narrative that she’s some kind of victim for being caught cheating and that she’s gonna make the heroic comeback she deserves. If she wants any semblance of respect/forgiveness from the track community which she clearly craves she should just come clean and enjoy being an also ran for the rest of her career, and show gratitude that she has garnered enough forgiveness from USATF and World Athletics to be allowed to do that.
It’s a little too late to come clean. The people who support would be outraged and it’s likely there would be consequences for admitting she lied to CAS.
No seriously. I said in my post that I think it was probably the cause of the doping too.
I got dogged for it in another thread as i’m sure I will here too, but narcissism is extremely prevalent in high level athletics, and I think people think I am calling someone a bad person of sorts by saying they may have the disorder but i’m not, i’m just saying they are mentally ill. Narcissism on the surface looks like someone who thinks they are the best and can’t do anything wrong but what’s happening on the inside of a narcissist is the opposite of that and it’s a serious mental health issue that can lead to extreme self identity issues and depression. I’m not just throwing around the phrase on people I don’t like either.
Grandiose sense of self
Abuse of substances
Delusions of grandiose future accomplishments
Dishonesty about anything that could make one’s character look bad
Cheating to obtain goals
Doubling down on lies and forming elaborate stories to validate the lies when exposed
These are all narcissistic signs/behaviors that in my eyes Shelby exhibits, and when the lie all falls apart which it currently is, it can be horrific on someone’s mental well being. I have/had a close friend going through a similar thing but out of the public eye and I feel really bad for him. A year ago he had convinced everyone he was the best thing ever and had some kind of savior complex that a lot of people bought into, and now he’s losing all of his friends, his long term romantic relationship is falling apart, his family doesn’t trust him, and he’s spiraling out of control abusing substances and flunking out of school. He’s dropping all of the people that stuck by him because he asks them for advice and the advice they give threaten his ego so he’s deluded himself into thinking everyone is against him, and in doing so is turning everyone against him.
I personally think humility can help Shelby a lot, I think she’d be surprised at how much her former fans will be willing to forgive her and support her by just coming clean and talking about how much pressure she felt to start doping and prove to everyone she can still exist on the pro scene without doping. Probably a lot of REAL self actualization/realization to be had there too.
You got dogged because your armchair psychological "analysis" is absurd. By your theory, any professional athlete who denies doping is a narcissist. Absurd.
"Delusions of grandiose future accomplishments" and "grandiose sense of self" are things that can be said about almost all professional athletes. Who even tries to become a professional athlete unless they believe they can achieve great things? People might have accused Kenneth Rooks of having "delusions of grandiose future accomplishments" for thinking he could medal at the Olympics before he did it.
The women's indoor mile world record is 4:13.31. That is equivalent to a 3:54.61 1500. Shelby has run 3:54.99 outdoors, so it is not a stretch for her to think that she is capable of running the equivalent of less than four-tenths of a second faster indoors.
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Actually, you did indeed just make that up. Shelby didn't say anything remotely close to that quote because she denies doping. So your post is made up.
Exactly, the same as most of the other posts that make up falsehoods to accuse her. I reported his post when he made it but - typically for this website - it still has not been removed.
If she was actually guilty of doping, then post the valid evidence, which no one has ever done on here.
I haven't watched all of the interview yet, but Shelby alluded to the fact that the doping organization, whatever it's initials are now, is never required to provide valid evidence that would hold up in a court where it would be open to challenges. In other words, people can be banned over and over and over for no valid reasons.
Based on this thread where all the accusers are basing their attacks on hypothetical conjecture and often obvious lies, I am coming to the conclusion that none of the so called doping busts can be considered to be credible, and they won't ever be credible, because they are never held to the standard that they must be open to legitimate challenges.
The people accused should always be considered to be innocent, unless and until the evidence is conclusive, and conclusive means conclusive, not spurious, hypothetical & dishonest.
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