Epic to see him win easily after travelling to Zurich to use the 1500m as a warmup and rust buster. Clearly 3:44 is better then the winning time of the 1500m in Zurich. Jakob will be sent home devastated when he meets Josh again. Josh can get the WR next year in the 1500m and mile and a 3,000m
Epic to see him win easily after travelling to Zurich to use the 1500m as a warmup and rust buster. Clearly 3:44 is better then the winning time of the 1500m in Zurich. Jakob will be sent home devastated when he meets Josh again. Josh can get the WR next year in the 1500m and mile and a 3,000m
None of Wightman, Reekie or Muir went to a US college so it shows there's no necessity to do that to reach the top of the elite ranks.
If people train in Australia, South Africa or Kenya for part of the year it doesn't mean those countries somehow appropriate all or part of medal winning performances.
I didn’t say going to a US college was necessary to reach the top of the elite ranks. But Kerr did exactly that, so credit should be given to the American college system for being a big part of his development. Kerr himself gives it credit.
Kerr doesn’t merely train in the US for part of the year. He LIVES in the US, has lived in the US since 2015, and he’s coached by an American. The US is a huge part of his success.
I think there is a fairly good case to be made that moving to the US and becoming part of the US collegiate system was a suboptimal decision even if it clearly can't be called a bad one due to his success in recent years.
For athletes with an aim of 3:2X.XX times (which Kerr claims he was always aiming for) I don't think the NCAA circuit is the best choice. Hobbs Kessler clearly agrees. Would you recommend Laros or Myers to go to college in the States? I wouldn't. It's arguable the set-up slowed his progression down.
If you're someone who appears to have something like a 3:34 or 3:33 ceiling the NCAA is great and this will get downvotes because it's a US board but, as already stated, Wightman, Muir and Reekie didn't need to go to the States for "education" to win the 5th Avenue mile.
I didn’t say going to a US college was necessary to reach the top of the elite ranks. But Kerr did exactly that, so credit should be given to the American college system for being a big part of his development. Kerr himself gives it credit.
Kerr doesn’t merely train in the US for part of the year. He LIVES in the US, has lived in the US since 2015, and he’s coached by an American. The US is a huge part of his success.
I think there is a fairly good case to be made that moving to the US and becoming part of the US collegiate system was a suboptimal decision even if it clearly can't be called a bad one due to his success in recent years.
For athletes with an aim of 3:2X.XX times (which Kerr claims he was always aiming for) I don't think the NCAA circuit is the best choice. Hobbs Kessler clearly agrees. Would you recommend Laros or Myers to go to college in the States? I wouldn't. It's arguable the set-up slowed his progression down.
If you're someone who appears to have something like a 3:34 or 3:33 ceiling the NCAA is great and this will get downvotes because it's a US board but, as already stated, Wightman, Muir and Reekie didn't need to go to the States for "education" to win the 5th Avenue mile.
That's not arguable. It's laughable. Kerr is one of the best tactical racers in the world. He learned that in the NCAA. He tends to deliver his best performances in championship meets. He learned that by competing in NCAA championships.
Kerr was developed from a teenager to a pro in the US, he's lived in the US for almost a decade, he has an American coach, and he's sponsored by an American company. He might as well apply for American citizenship if he hasn't already.
It's "laughable" because you're an American who explicitly wants to claim partial credit for Kerr's success.
You know as well as anyone else reading this that the NCAA isn't necessary for the most elite talent and is rightly regarded by the likes of Kessler as simply not necessary.
I'd go further too and point out that US middle distance benefits more from Kerr having moved Stateside than Kerr did from the move itself. There are plenty of great coaches around. There are far fewer multiple Olympic medalists and world champions and Kerr would be less likely to compete at events like Milrose or Pre or the 5th Avenue mile if he were living elsewhere.
It's "laughable" because you're an American who explicitly wants to claim partial credit for Kerr's success.
You know as well as anyone else reading this that the NCAA isn't necessary for the most elite talent and is rightly regarded by the likes of Kessler as simply not necessary.
I'd go further too and point out that US middle distance benefits more from Kerr having moved Stateside than Kerr did from the move itself. There are plenty of great coaches around. There are far fewer multiple Olympic medalists and world champions and Kerr would be less likely to compete at events like Milrose or Pre or the 5th Avenue mile if he were living elsewhere.
It’s laughable that you’re trying to deny the many ways Kerr’s career has benefited from American support.
It's "laughable" because you're an American who explicitly wants to claim partial credit for Kerr's success.
You know as well as anyone else reading this that the NCAA isn't necessary for the most elite talent and is rightly regarded by the likes of Kessler as simply not necessary.
I'd go further too and point out that US middle distance benefits more from Kerr having moved Stateside than Kerr did from the move itself. There are plenty of great coaches around. There are far fewer multiple Olympic medalists and world champions and Kerr would be less likely to compete at events like Milrose or Pre or the 5th Avenue mile if he were living elsewhere.
It’s laughable that you’re trying to deny the many ways Kerr’s career has benefited from American support.
I'm not disputing that. I'm pointing out the obivous fact that you are ignoring (1) the counterfactals of him not going to the US and (2) the benefits of him going to the US for the US.
It’s laughable that you’re trying to deny the many ways Kerr’s career has benefited from American support.
I'm not disputing that. I'm pointing out the obivous fact that you are ignoring (1) the counterfactals of him not going to the US and (2) the benefits of him going to the US for the US.
The counterfactuals are impossible to prove. Kerr made a decision to come to the US because he thought it would help him. He liked it so much he decided to stay. I don’t think he has any regrets about those decisions.
I agree there is benefit to Americans from having Kerr in the US.
I'm not disputing that. I'm pointing out the obivous fact that you are ignoring (1) the counterfactals of him not going to the US and (2) the benefits of him going to the US for the US.
The counterfactuals are impossible to prove. Kerr made a decision to come to the US because he thought it would help him. He liked it so much he decided to stay. I don’t think he has any regrets about those decisions.
I agree there is benefit to Americans from having Kerr in the US.
I'd concur the counterfactuals are impossible to prove and this is contention on my part.
My general view is that the closer the athlete is in terms of ability to super elite status the less useful the NCAA is to them and at some point it tends to tip into being a net negative. The focus is on performance for the college and not just for developing the athlete.
Your view that Kerr "learned to race" via the NCAA is also contention because he could learn to race in plenty of places. Why aim for high level collegiate competition when you could aim for taking part in the much superior Diamond League?
It's possible to argue that Kerr is something of a different case because he favours championship racing and a single season peak.
The counterfactuals are impossible to prove. Kerr made a decision to come to the US because he thought it would help him. He liked it so much he decided to stay. I don’t think he has any regrets about those decisions.
I agree there is benefit to Americans from having Kerr in the US.
I'd concur the counterfactuals are impossible to prove and this is contention on my part.
My general view is that the closer the athlete is in terms of ability to super elite status the less useful the NCAA is to them and at some point it tends to tip into being a net negative. The focus is on performance for the college and not just for developing the athlete.
Your view that Kerr "learned to race" via the NCAA is also contention because he could learn to race in plenty of places. Why aim for high level collegiate competition when you could aim for taking part in the much superior Diamond League?
It's possible to argue that Kerr is something of a different case because he favours championship racing and a single season peak.
The NCAA is its own debate. My main point is that Kerr has benefited in many ways from American support.
I'd concur the counterfactuals are impossible to prove and this is contention on my part.
My general view is that the closer the athlete is in terms of ability to super elite status the less useful the NCAA is to them and at some point it tends to tip into being a net negative. The focus is on performance for the college and not just for developing the athlete.
Your view that Kerr "learned to race" via the NCAA is also contention because he could learn to race in plenty of places. Why aim for high level collegiate competition when you could aim for taking part in the much superior Diamond League?
It's possible to argue that Kerr is something of a different case because he favours championship racing and a single season peak.
The NCAA is its own debate. My main point is that Kerr has benefited in many ways from American support.
The NCAA and Chris O'Hare's recommendation is the only reason why Kerr went to the US.
Kerr has indeed benefitted from American support. It's fairly easy to argue he has repaid that and then some.
My comment that started this discussion off was the observation that Scotland has produced a statistically disproportionate number of 5th Avenue mile winners recently. That's mirrored by their over-clocking in middle distance performances generally. You won't really pay any attention to this but that's reflected in the UK age group rankings for years now which wasn't the case in the past. Unless it's some cosmic fluke I think that's more interesting that than the NCAA and 340 million US's population's ability to do well at sport.
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