I just peek in on these attempts sometimes, but haven’t really followed them in years. I think the last time I watched one for a bit was the gal that had done Badwater previously. It looks like her record was broken by Jenny Hoffman. Did Hoffman’s crossing look legit to all of you that closely follow these, or was it associated with questions?
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seikosha wrote:
How the heck is his moving time only 5 seconds less than his elapsed time? Saw this on Strava. Did he essentially move non stop for 15 hours? No bathroom break, never stopped to tie his shoes, change them, put on new socks? That’s pretty impressive.
That's because Strava's definition of "Moving Time" is a proprietary P.O.S. calculation that is commonly known to be wrong. If you download the Strava data and graph it, you can easily see that Nels took very short breaks throughout the Day 3 where his speed drops to zero or near zero.
In general, this is because Strava is more strict about resting time so we remove less of it than Garmin Connect. In other words, we're a bit more likely to consider you moving in places where Garmin considers you stopped. This means that even though the elapsed time is the same, the moving time can be a bit different, which can cause differences in average speed. Strava typically reports a bit more moving time and so a bit slower average speed.
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pupilpi wrote:
seikosha wrote:
How the heck is his moving time only 5 seconds less than his elapsed time? Saw this on Strava. Did he essentially move non stop for 15 hours? No bathroom break, never stopped to tie his shoes, change them, put on new socks? That’s pretty impressive.
And so the questions begin....
Indeed they do, did you download the data?
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so it goes wrote:
It looks like her record was broken by Jenny Hoffman. Did Hoffman’s crossing look legit to all of you that closely follow these, or was it associated with questions?
None of us watched Hoffman, she will need to run it again to be considered valid
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Here We Go Again wrote:
pupilpi wrote:
And so the questions begin....
Indeed they do, did you download the data?
There it is!
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seikosha wrote:
Here We Go Again wrote:
How the heck is his moving time only 5 seconds less than his elapsed time? Saw this on Strava. Did he essentially move non stop for 15 hours? No bathroom break, never stopped to tie his shoes, change them, put on new socks? That’s pretty impressive.
From Strava: "Strava is more strict about resting time so we remove less of it than Garmin Connect. In other words, we're a bit more likely to consider you moving in places where Garmin considers you stopped. This means that even though the elapsed time is the same, the moving time can be a bit different, which can cause differences in average speed. Strava typically reports a bit more moving time and so a bit slower average speed."
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Speaking of which, I wonder whatever happened to Robbie Young? Is he still out there grifting? Or did the scandal over his marathon fraud cause him to retreat from these efforts entirely?
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seikosha wrote:
Come back to us in two weeks. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but to declare he is on track to break the record after two days is extremely naive.
For anyone still doubting if Nels Matson is a legitimate contender to break Pete's run across America record, consider the fact that both their best 6 day performances are practically the same. Matson went 440.9 miles in Across The Years 2023 and Pete went 444.26 in the 2019 edition of the race. Pete's speed drops off dramatically from 1 day races, he doesn't have much ability to recover in multidays.
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Brianruns10 wrote:
Speaking of which, I wonder whatever happened to Robbie Young? Is he still out there grifting? Or did the scandal over his marathon fraud cause him to retreat from these efforts entirely?
He got divorced a little bit after the "run". That's all I know.
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Here We Go Again wrote:
seikosha wrote:
Come back to us in two weeks. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but to declare he is on track to break the record after two days is extremely naive.
For anyone still doubting if Nels Matson is a legitimate contender to break Pete's run across America record, consider the fact that both their best 6 day performances are practically the same. Matson went 440.9 miles in Across The Years 2023 and Pete went 444.26 in the 2019 edition of the race. Pete's speed drops off dramatically from 1 day races, he doesn't have much ability to recover in multidays.
Pete ran 163 miles in 24 hours. Nels Matson is not even close to that.As of right now, Nels has covered 37 Garmin miles in 10.5 hours. It looks like that he has already slowed down significantly on day 3. It's hard to imagine that he can properly recover with just 8 hours off course each day.
I wish him all the best for his run but he is not on the level Pete was in 2016.50 -
Trans con expert 2 wrote:
As of right now, Nels has covered 37 Garmin miles in 10.5 hours. It looks like that he has already slowed down significantly on day 3. It's hard to imagine that he can properly recover with just 8 hours off course each day.It's called The Mountains. Everyone slows down going up hills.
The fact that both Nels and Pete have virtually the same 6 day performances despite Pete being the much faster 1 day runner tells you that Nels' ability to recover is way better than that of Pete's despite being disadvantaged with slower short distance speed.
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Here We Go Again wrote:
seikosha wrote:
Come back to us in two weeks. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but to declare he is on track to break the record after two days is extremely naive.
If you look at Nels Strava data and his Instagram stories/posts, you will see that he basically only does a constant shuffling gait all day. No running at a high speed causing unnecessary body damage and then backing down to slower speeds in the same day like Pete did. If you were to present to me the plans of Nels vs Pete without telling their names, I would easily choose Nels as having the way better plan and much more likely to succeed.
This is like the tortoise vs the hare. Nels is the tortoise and Pete is the hare. And we all know who won in that race.
Actually it's a lot more like the hare vs. the idiot. (I'll give you a hint: neither you nor Nels is the hare.)
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Here We Go Again wrote:
Trans con expert wrote:
You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Pete ran 163 miles in a 24 hour race in 2015. That's an excellent result.
Nels has 440 miles at a 6 day race in 2023 and a 102 miles in a 24 hour race. The 6 day result is solid but the 24 hour result is rather poor.
Pete's transcon was the most optimized run I have seen in the last 40 years. There was no low hanging fruit to pick.
A 24 hour race isn't a 42 day transcon. Your post just further illustrates that Pete is the hare and Nels is the tortoise. Pete was never able to approach 163 miles a day in his transcon because he cannot sustain that kind of speed. Pete's overall transcon wound up at a pace slower than that of Nels' 6 day pace.
I'm curious: are you the same fraudulent a**hole that spent like 3 months shilling for the last fraudulent a**hole that pretended to do this last year??
Cuz you sure sound kinda like him.
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What is Matson's advantage over Kostelnick?
The USF article says he googled the transcon record, saw Pete was from nearby, and figured that meant he could be just as good. Maybe that's the article writer fluffing up the story for the masses, but to a competitive runner it comes across as naive and/or disrespectful.
This is a theme with a lot of niche record attempts. A guy says "I have a modicum of talent/success in this field, so I should be able to be the best in the world." No one says that about things that they think are truly competitive. Like the 16% (or whatever it was) of people who think they could make the Olympics in the 100m, or the woman who thinks she ran 4 miles in 17 minutes because her wonky GPS told her she did and she "had a lot of pent-up energy that day," people truly do not understand what it takes to be a world-class runner.
...So they think elite performances are attainable for almost anyone.
...So an above-average (but not world-class) runner might think they can beat a record like this.
And what inevitably happens is that the runner starts out on pace, and at some point the difficulty of the task becomes apparent. The runner then either (a) calls the record attempt off (either quitting entirely or setting a more reasonable goal), or (b) cheats.
And since most non-runners don't know the difference between above-average talent and record-breaking talent, they won't believe (b) happened without a LOT of proof.
Hopefully Matson is extremely talented--his previous results are better than a lot of guys we've followed before, but don't jump off the page as someone who can definitely break the transcon record--and if he's not, hopefully he doesn't feel the need to cheat.
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For anyone still doubting if Nels Matson is a legitimate contender to break Pete's run across America record, consider the fact that both their best 6 day performances are practically the same. Matson went 440.9 miles in Across The Years 2023 and Pete went 444.26 in the 2019 edition of the race. Pete's speed drops off dramatically from 1 day races, he doesn't have much ability to recover in multidays.
Pete ran that much for 43 days, you dip-stick.
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Here We Go Again wrote:
It's called The Mountains. Everyone slows down going up hills.
The fact that both Nels and Pete have virtually the same 6 day performances despite Pete being the much faster 1 day runner tells you that Nels' ability to recover is way better than that of Pete's despite being disadvantaged with slower short distance speed.
Sounds like you have no idea what a 163 mile in 24 hour performance means.
I always had the feeling that Pete never quite recovered from his record Transcon and/or he was not as motivated anymore.30 -
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What is Matson's advantage over Kostelnick?
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Hopefully Matson is extremely talented--his previous results are better than a lot of guys we've followed before, but don't jump off the page as someone who can definitely break the transcon record--and if he's not, hopefully he doesn't feel the need to cheat.
Matson's advantage over Kostelnick is that Matson is much more patient and analytical with the hindsight of exactly how slow he can run and still beat Kostelnick's record (Matson is after all an accountant by trade). Matson has studied Kostelnick and knows from their past races that Kostelnick wasted tons of energy and caused unnecessary body damage by running at 8-9 minute miles for the transcon instead of 11-13 minute miles. Matson will obviously know that he is every bit as fast as Kostelnick in 6 day races from past results simply because he paces much more intelligently and recovers faster than Kostelnick over multiple days.
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Trans con expert 2 wrote:
I always had the feeling that Pete never quite recovered from his record Transcon and/or he was not as motivated anymore.
I'll agree with you there on that point. I also get the feeling that Pete has never been the same after the transcon because he went too deep for his abilities of recovery
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Trans con expert 2 wrote:
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I always had the feeling that Pete never quite recovered from his record Transcon and/or he was not as motivated anymore.Except for the time he did it again, north to south, unsupported?
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Nels' Day 4 Strava is up for another day in the mountains. Shows distance of 58.26 miles with 15:56:45 elapsed time and (for what little Strava moving time is worth) a moving time of 14:43:10.
Strava says the last 3 miles were particularly slow and done in 20+ minute miles up hill. Interpret that as you will.
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