I don't disagree that the coach is automatically guilty, but at the same time I do think a seasoned coach should have a suspicion that something is going on even if they have no direct involvement. I go back to Jerry Schumacher and his total shock about Shelby. Either he knew something and was lying or he was totally delusional and thought his coaching methods were better than they really were.
EPO is different. Steroids you’d expect physical change. EPO would just make them faster, I think?
It’s funny to look back and see how Dwight Stones was way too invested with Khan than any other athlete in the commentary of heat 1 semi final at NCAA’s.. Bizzare to think about lol.
I’m not saying it’s a good system but fwiw there are random drug tests in the ncaa. They show up at your college, pick a few athletes, and you have to go take the pee test. One of my teammates was chosen last year.
Just making sure you have the facts right. It’s not that the don’t test… it’s that they don’t thoroughly test.
It would be interesting if usada did an out of the blue testing of all ncaa finalists at the meet itself. My guess is you MAYBE get a couple writers or throwers on T and that’s about it. I’m much more skeptical about distance runners in the ncaa doping. Khan was obvious. Anyone who thought otherwise had their eyes closed. I’m not sure I can think of anyone else who is obvious.
It’s funny to look back and see how Dwight Stones was way too invested with Khan than any other athlete in the commentary of heat 1 semi final at NCAA’s.. Bizzare to think about lol.
I’m not saying it’s a good system but fwiw there are random drug tests in the ncaa. They show up at your college, pick a few athletes, and you have to go take the pee test. One of my teammates was chosen last year.
Just making sure you have the facts right. It’s not that the don’t test… it’s that they don’t thoroughly test.
It would be interesting if usada did an out of the blue testing of all ncaa finalists at the meet itself. My guess is you MAYBE get a couple writers or throwers on T and that’s about it. I’m much more skeptical about distance runners in the ncaa doping. Khan was obvious. Anyone who thought otherwise had their eyes closed. I’m not sure I can think of anyone else who is obvious.
They need to take a page out of the AIU's playbook and come up with a list of the most likely to be doped and target them aggressively. Not just a random test here or there.
It’s funny to look back and see how Dwight Stones was way too invested with Khan than any other athlete in the commentary of heat 1 semi final at NCAA’s.. Bizzare to think about lol.
1. I am glad he was caught. Doping at the NCAA level has been going unchecked for far too long and at least the smokescreen is down. He's not the only one doping.
Quite right. I'm honestly shocked a collegian was caught, and that's not because I'm surprised collegians are cheating.
I’m not saying it’s a good system but fwiw there are random drug tests in the ncaa. They show up at your college, pick a few athletes, and you have to go take the pee test. One of my teammates was chosen last year.
Just making sure you have the facts right. It’s not that the don’t test… it’s that they don’t thoroughly test.
It would be interesting if usada did an out of the blue testing of all ncaa finalists at the meet itself. My guess is you MAYBE get a couple writers or throwers on T and that’s about it. I’m much more skeptical about distance runners in the ncaa doping. Khan was obvious. Anyone who thought otherwise had their eyes closed. I’m not sure I can think of anyone else who is obvious.
If you fail these tests, it's not even announced though. The "punishment" is just losing a year of eligibility and your college gets to say you're injured. Erin Brown said he failed a test this year (for weed) and he just had to miss one meet.
NCAA don't test as they don't want their athletes caught.
He only got caught as he was at home.If he had stayed in the US he wouldn't have got caught.
Hopefully this is a huge wakeup call for the NCAA.
They're already awake. You think they didn't know people were doping? Their whole model is designed to protect reputation and have to expose as few people as possible. The same model most popular professional sports (soccer, basketball, NFL, etc.) use.
I’m not saying it’s a good system but fwiw there are random drug tests in the ncaa. They show up at your college, pick a few athletes, and you have to go take the pee test. One of my teammates was chosen last year.
Just making sure you have the facts right. It’s not that the don’t test… it’s that they don’t thoroughly test.
It would be interesting if usada did an out of the blue testing of all ncaa finalists at the meet itself. My guess is you MAYBE get a couple writers or throwers on T and that’s about it. I’m much more skeptical about distance runners in the ncaa doping. Khan was obvious. Anyone who thought otherwise had their eyes closed. I’m not sure I can think of anyone else who is obvious.
If you fail these tests, it's not even announced though. The "punishment" is just losing a year of eligibility and your college gets to say you're injured. Erin Brown said he failed a test this year (for weed) and he just had to miss one meet.
Recreational drugs are different. Punishment for failing a test for epo is 4 year ban, can be 3 years if the athlete admits to using it.
- Shane Cohen, Addy Wiley, top SEC sprinters (well...)
- Any sports-focused boarging school like Montverde and IMG with near world class times. Maybe add a couple oregon runners as well just because of how many resources the school would have
- World class times: Christian Miller and Quincy Wilson; nb - these aren't from true suspicions of doping due to normal progressions and physiques, it's more by virtue of the time itself. But a random test they couldn’t avoid would go a long way to assuage doubts.
- Top HS (past and present) but not globally elite: Danny Simmons, Drew Griffith, Newbury Park alum's who aren't now tested (i.e. not the one who's currently pro and who has noticabley lighter bone structure than the others)As someone who ran a hair under 9:00 in the mid 2000's off of moderate training for that time (about 50 mpw in season, 60 during cross) I would expect to see progression if people have run more mileage along with shoes benefiting 3 seconds per mile. But especially because it seems like the times needed to get recruited get a bit faster each year, what'll be the recruiting standards for Stanford and top Ivies in a few years? Sub 8:40 or sub 4? My brother's kid is 14 and knows how fast he'd have to run in 4 years
So why wouldn't people dope to get in when a non-zero number of people are doing it as well? And especially because people can get paid for their performance* yet never get tested, what's stopping people?
USADA has tested Addy Wiley 5 times this year. Wilson 4 times. Miller 5 times. This is all public. Doesn't include other testing organizations or the Olympics.
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