Jakob is not only clean he was born a girl. A complete phenom, beyond all know human science.
Jakob is not only clean he was born a girl. A complete phenom, beyond all know human science.
I acknowledge that Jakob might be clean my only question which raises doubts in my head is that there have been Zero European or white champions at those distances he is dominating recently, and I mean only recently, I did mention flash in the pan performances. it is possible that Ingerbritsen is a freak of nature, but European runners or non African runners are not supposed to be that good. I say this because it has been the history of the sport that Africans have dominated for decades. It could be like I said that Ingerbritsen is a freak of nature, but I'd rather place my bets on the African runners like Kajelca and Cheriout and the other athletes coming from Uganda to name just a few.
Now I expect Ingerbritsen to be broken soon by said African athletes. He is just a one in a million white horse that needs to be broken in or put in his place.
The good thing is that Komen's record will be broken again but this time it will be an African athletes. All great runners come from Africa and very few are from Europe, that has been my main contention all along. It is not racist at all, it is just the history of the sport going back to Berlin when Nazi Germany hosted the Olympics and Hitler was humbled yet refused to Acknowledge Jesse Owens Greatness.
Just curious, when did he say he doesn’t like running? Seems strange for someone at such a high level to not enjoy it.
Johng wrote:
I acknowledge that Jakob might be clean my only question which raises doubts in my head is that there have been Zero European or white champions at those distances he is dominating recently, and I mean only recently, I did mention flash in the pan performances. it is possible that Ingerbritsen is a freak of nature, but European runners or non African runners are not supposed to be that good. I say this because it has been the history of the sport that Africans have dominated for decades. It could be like I said that Ingerbritsen is a freak of nature, but I'd rather place my bets on the African runners like Kajelca and Cheriout and the other athletes coming from Uganda to name just a few.
Now I expect Ingerbritsen to be broken soon by said African athletes. He is just a one in a million white horse that needs to be broken in or put in his place.
The good thing is that Komen's record will be broken again but this time it will be an African athletes. All great runners come from Africa and very few are from Europe, that has been my main contention all along. It is not racist at all, it is just the history of the sport going back to Berlin when Nazi Germany hosted the Olympics and Hitler was humbled yet refused to Acknowledge Jesse Owens Greatness.
I don’t think this is about black or white or country -maybe the next great distance runner will be a black man from Norway!
Jakob is an outlier, but he’s not the first. -I was at Bislett stadium in 1982 when David Moorcroft smashed the WR in the 5000m with nearly 6 seconds. -So there you got another of your white athletes…
This isn't about black or white exactly. It is about History of historically African and African Americans completely dominating track. It has often been said that those that don't learn from history are bound to repeat the same mistakes that have doomed those in the past.
I agree that there will be some great European white champions But they are few and far far in between. Maybe every once in a century. Will the next great champion come from Norway? I take that as a joke.
That is nonsense! What are you talking about? Colour of the skin is going to make you better or worse runner or whatever? I lot of trash talking on this site! Disgusting!
Wouldnt it just be nice to know what all these athletes for the last 70 years have been taking???? Besides the few people caught every year, it kind of stinks its always just left to skepticism.
Even if Jakob isnt doping explicitly, in what ways is he going right up against the boundaries?
Clearly clean wrote:
Then why does Norway have drug testing like any other country if no one dopes there?
xcskier66 wrote:
I don't know for certain who is the most physically talented male distance runner of all time, but if it isn't Daniel Komen then I don't who it is?
Read up on his training. He trained like a high school athlete. Either way too hard, or not enough. Sometimes he would enter the training season way way overweight. The man had a hard upbrining and lived hard. No athlete has a better ratio of bad training to success as daniel komen.
If Daniel had trained in a methodical way and had the personality to live like recluse and obssess over training/performance then the world record would have been 10-20 seconds lower. I really doubt Daniel doped honestly.
I honestly don't believe Jakob is doping. He is extremely talented but he has a training system that allows him to reach his potential. Lactate, Heart rate, the best coaches, the best science, the best training venues and partners. Daniel never had anything close.
I kind of believe Renato on this one. For the 1/billion talent, doping kind of isn't necessary. They can do amazing things on talent along. Daniel was a 1/billion talent.
I would add that it is extremely unlikely that Komen wasn't using EPO when it was being used by his countrymen and competitors and there was no effective test for it. It would have been as normal as using the same brand of running shoe - that also happened to have a spring in the heel.
How can Jakob be better than Komen?
Aside from the better shoes, wave light, threshold training, and more years of elite training, you're forgetting belief.
The mile record was 4:01 for 10 years before Bannister. Then Bannister broke 4 in 1954, and 10 runners in all broke 4 in 1954-1956.
The 5,000 world record progressed by 5 seconds from Moorcraft's 13:00 in 1982 to Kiptanui's 12:55 in June 1995. 13 years to improve 5 seconds. Then Geb smashed the WR by 11 seconds in one race in August 1995, and suddenly 8 different athletes were under Kiptanui's WR in 1995-1997.
When I see mass breakthroughs like that it just proves to me that there is a psychological component. The bar gets higher over time, always higher, and people rise to meet the new challenge.
Booooo you're racist
Clearly clean wrote:
Norway has the premiere blood-doping programs, beginning with their xc skiers.
Be funny it douche failed a test. They’d have to take away his medals and record.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Then why does Norway have drug testing like any other country if no one dopes there?
Of course there is doping also in Norway. -There’s an ongoing case against the World champion in mountain racing, and as all countries Norway has a list of convicted and admitted dopers…
Arm Lancestrong wrote:
Norway has the premiere blood-doping programs, beginning with their xc skiers.
Source..?
dont discount this wrote:
How can Jakob be better than Komen?
Aside from the better shoes, wave light, threshold training, and more years of elite training, you're forgetting belief.
The mile record was 4:01 for 10 years before Bannister. Then Bannister broke 4 in 1954, and 10 runners in all broke 4 in 1954-1956.
The 5,000 world record progressed by 5 seconds from Moorcraft's 13:00 in 1982 to Kiptanui's 12:55 in June 1995. 13 years to improve 5 seconds. Then Geb smashed the WR by 11 seconds in one race in August 1995, and suddenly 8 different athletes were under Kiptanui's WR in 1995-1997.
When I see mass breakthroughs like that it just proves to me that there is a psychological component. The bar gets higher over time, always higher, and people rise to meet the new challenge.
Same has happened to 400H men's and women's. What was considered ok doesn't cut it any more.
Let's say JI is clean. In that case how fast can he run while doping? 3:24? 7:10?
That doesn't make sense, but it makes more sense that he's already doping.
Armstronglivs wrote:
He has just smashed one of the longest standing records in the sport, a record that was likely set by an athlete on EPO, for which there was then no effective test. That virtually ends the speculation about Ingebrigtsen doping there.
So your thesis is that if someone performs better than a doped athlete he must be doping because doping is so much effective, and you know it is effective because every performing athlete dopes? Brilliant.
The same with 400 m hurdles. Kevin Youngs record stood for decades. Suddenly the compitition gets hard and 400 m hurdles gets popular. The record stood for 25+ years and in only 2-3 years that record are getting shattered almost every race.