Why does Jingy keep doing bad tactics in the 1500m and brilliant tactics in the 5000m at the last 3 global championships?

Its simple. Jakob wants the 1500 world record. There are no tactical 1500s with him because every race is a record attempt. He may run tactically in heats or national championships but not global finals.

I agree with this and also with the other comments about the margin of victory.

Jakob is the fastest 1500m in the world, but not by much. In a single race (no rounds) with a fast pacer, he wins by at least 0.5 against the Olympic field. After rounds in Paris, he knew no one was going to take the lead from the get-go and force a fast pace. Thus, that Monaco TT strategy goes out the window. Instead, he has to decide whether he

a) Sits on a slow pace and tries to kick (maybe ratchet the pace down similar to semis). Maybe that zaps the legs of the kickers, but maybe it doesn't.

b) Try to be his own pacer and go out like TT and hope he can hang on

He went for strategy "b" and it didnt work. I think this could've had more success on fresh legs, but who knows. Also, there is no gaurantee that strategy "a" works given the fitness of the field. It did "seem" like his semi race where he ratcheted the pace made Kerr and Hocker both sweat...but again, who knows if kicking from 1K or 800 out after a slowish 400-600 is enough.

In the 5K, it's a whole different story. No one is running away from him at the gun as he is likely very nearish to WR shape AND no one is outkicking a 3:26 guy after running 4200m. Maybe if the pace was ungodly slow for 4800m, someone could nab him in the last 200, but Jakob knows to go before that. Plus no one is willing to risk trying to run the legs out of him early as you basically commit to being the sacrificial lamb for the field. That's why the entire field was waiting on him to move basically.

What was his last 600m in the 5000m today?

What was his last lap in the Euro 1500m?

He got beat by Kerr in Eugene, but was Jingy actually faster over the last 600m? (He had to react after Kerr went to the front.)

I see so many examples where Jingy finishes FAST.

People have posted videos to prove that he is "fast" - but I forget which ones.

I think it is a myth that Jingy cannot compete with the best kickers - IF he sets himself up well. (Unlike the Paris 1500m.)

The 1500 is his favorite event. He wants to win it gloriously from the front.

I think he ran like a 1:18ish last 600m in the Paris 5K

Again, I'm not in the camp that doesn't think that he can kick, but I do think he might've assumed that the field is fitter than any he's ever faced. He might have not known 100% if he is the fastest kicker in a shorter race, but he did know he is the fastest 1500m runner, so he skewed his strategy accordingly. Like he said himself though, he was outsmarted and didn't manage his energy well, so it wasn't the best strategy after rounds. He prob would've faired better with the long ratcheting kick strategy, but this was the best field in recent memory and it's still a risk.

Listen to me I have all the answers for you sir!!!

The 1500m is too short an event and you run out of real estate pretty quickly, you feeling me sir???? There is little flexibility in tactics for the 1500m as compared to the 5000m due to much lesser real estate!!!!

So you can imagine it WILL NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE for Jakob to go out in 55.8 as compared to 54.8 while leading out front the whole time. Doper Hocker will still go past him in the end in the final 100m, so will Kerr!!!!!!!!!

Neither will it make any difference for Jakob to go from 720, 620, 520, 320, 220, 820, 920, 1020m you feeling me??????? There will forever be a phalanx of runners hunting him down come what may because there is simply NO REAL ESTATE TO RUN IN THE 1500M!!!!!!!!!!!

You need to come in with a 1500m PB of 3:20 to have tons of real estate to play around. But those guys are all running only 3:26, 3:27, 3:28, 3:29!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you wanna have more space (flexibility) to play around, come in with a faster PB (TIME) of 3:20, period.

It's all about SPACE AND TIME!!!!!

I have no idea if you are a poster I enjoy reading or not, but you are completely correct here good sir!

1500m is a blue ribbon event. No one gives AF about the 5000m.

Jingy has other problems though. That Algerian 1:41 guy is doing the 15 at the next world champs. The event is becoming too fast to be useful for his threshold-type training.

I'm going to paraphrase what Jakob said in the presser. "After the race they say it's good tactics if you win and bad tactics if you lose."

That's pretty much all you need to know about discussions of tactics, unless a runner does something egregiously and obviously stupid, like trail by 10 meters with 100 meters left in the race, destroy everybody in the final 100, and then finish 4th by a whisker. That's dumb.

Otherwise, as Jakob said immediately after the previous, races are about execution rather than plans.

Hahahaha olympic golds 2024 - Kerr: 0, Jakob 1. Total olympic golds: Jakob 2, Kerr 0. Looooool I love how salty you are to have your hero get swooped so hard!!! Trollminator DEVASTATED.

12:40 africans are dodging him left and right but Hocker and Kerr are going to blow him out in a 5000? lol
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he lost three years in a row with that tactic though. And he's on fire and was not sick this time. Maybe his tactics is just too hard to execute?

Of these three people, the only one who can do that is Kerr. 8:00 indoors certainly means he's a strength-based 1500m runner like Jakob. Hocker couldn't even beat Fisher.

Kerr is a strictly 8/15 runner and hasn't been able to put up a better time in the 800 than 1:45, and just now beat his last PB in the 1500 from Tokyo, why on Earth would anyone think he'd be able to put up a sub 12:50 5k?

It is hard to execute.

I think it all goes back to Tokyo. Despite winning, I think Tim’s great sportsmanship and then beating him at the DL final made him think he hadn’t comprehensively won it the most honest way. I’ll take his comments at Pre 2022 at face value he was literally disappointed that Tim was not at his pre-injury levels and challenging him on the circuit. At Eugene it'd also explain why he battled so hard to keep the lead even when he should’ve let Tim/Kipsang take it until 400m to go. He didn’t want the same feeling as Tokyo. But it tactically cost him and he lost to a guy he should never lose to in Wightman. Then in Budapest even though sick he didn’t let Kipsang hold the lead when he should’ve. I think he is still chasing winning it as Tim did in 2019, and validating that sandbagging like in Tokyo is not the only way he can win. I disagree with it, but that appears to be his mindset and level of respect he has for Tim’s 2019 and 2021 performances.

And you believe the stupid comments of Jakob????

According to him, he didn't execute well in Eugene in 2022 then right???? That was when he really had no excuse and was fully healthy. How the heck did he let Jake get past him then????

And then coming to the ones he was sick in Budapest and world indoors which he didn't execute to certain extent as well.

And finally Paris 2024, again didn't execute well?????????

He is forever not going to execute well you feeling me sir?????????????

This is different from El G who was tripped in 1996 Atlanta but won the next 2 world championships before tripping up at Sydney 2000m and again went on to win the next 2 world champs and finally the 2004 Olympics!!!!!!!!!

El G really had no problem executing much better than Jakob while Jakob has failed to execute well in 4 consecutive straight finals!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's not GOAT-like you feeling me!!!!

At most we can only give Jakob 1 benefit of the doubt for only 1 final, but not 4?????????????

Even if we discount his 2 sick finals, that's still 2 straight consecutive losses you feeling me????

El G never had 2 straight consecutive losses in finals.

I am very glad Jakob will continue running 1500, although he has some difficulties winning. It gives us lots of entertainment. Him winning 5k is not that exciting I think, I hope he sees it just like a bonus. 1500m matters much more. What you call excuses I call explanations because Jakob is still trying to run a more perfect race. The three last 1500 global races he did not win he said he did a slow 2. or 3 round (not quite sure) in 2022, sick in 2023, and too fast first round in 2024. Not sure a slower first round would have helped him winning in Paris, but perhaps a bronze.

I wonder if 4th at the Olympics might be the BEST thing to happen to him in terms of career 1500m. If he won again, he might be 5000m/10000m very soon. (Although I'm sure he wants 3:25 first.) But now he must be thinking LA28, where he will be 27, and determined to try again.