Got it. You're comparing her to an era of racing that was 60 years ago, even before East Africans burst onto the scene. Back when JFK was still alive and color tvs had just been invented.
I was under the impression you were trying to make a rational argument. Nevermind.
Quincy Wilson is 16 and running world class times. We have seen that with quite a few runners today, who are achieving an international standard in their teens. That careers are longer than they once were doesn't mean that athletes don't peak now till their thirties. Some do - but then the sport is virtually universally doped and that is how it is done. We know that because it is a worse doping offender than cycling.
listen, i do believe you often state quite obvious things about over-hyped athletes reasonable progression and the (should be obvious) prevalence of doping within endurance sports, but honestly man, you are what, 70 years old now? don't you think this Voice Crying in the Wilderness routine is getting a bit stale? Do you seriously have no other life in what I presume to be your golden age retirement? Take a break, brother.
Quincy Wilson is 16 and running world class times. We have seen that with quite a few runners today, who are achieving an international standard in their teens. That careers are longer than they once were doesn't mean that athletes don't peak now till their thirties. Some do - but then the sport is virtually universally doped and that is how it is done. We know that because it is a worse doping offender than cycling.
listen, i do believe you often state quite obvious things about over-hyped athletes reasonable progression and the (should be obvious) prevalence of doping within endurance sports, but honestly man, you are what, 70 years old now? don't you think this Voice Crying in the Wilderness routine is getting a bit stale? Do you seriously have no other life in what I presume to be your golden age retirement? Take a break, brother.
I don't mind being a bit stale. Only the fans here do.
listen, i do believe you often state quite obvious things about over-hyped athletes reasonable progression and the (should be obvious) prevalence of doping within endurance sports, but honestly man, you are what, 70 years old now? don't you think this Voice Crying in the Wilderness routine is getting a bit stale? Do you seriously have no other life in what I presume to be your golden age retirement? Take a break, brother.
I don't mind being a bit stale. Only the fans here do.
You say that as if being a fan of the sport we love is a bad thing.
Got it. You're comparing her to an era of racing that was 60 years ago, even before East Africans burst onto the scene. Back when JFK was still alive and color tvs had just been invented.
I was under the impression you were trying to make a rational argument. Nevermind.
Quincy Wilson is 16 and running world class times. We have seen that with quite a few runners today, who are achieving an international standard in their teens. That careers are longer than they once were doesn't mean that athletes don't peak now till their thirties. Some do - but then the sport is virtually universally doped and that is how it is done. We know that because it is a worse doping offender than cycling.
And? What’s your point exactly? Based on your metric, he didn’t place 11th in his event, so it’s completely irrelevant.
You aren’t adding any new information that people don’t already know. Nor are you being ‘salty.’
Quincy Wilson is 16 and running world class times. We have seen that with quite a few runners today, who are achieving an international standard in their teens. That careers are longer than they once were doesn't mean that athletes don't peak now till their thirties. Some do - but then the sport is virtually universally doped and that is how it is done. We know that because it is a worse doping offender than cycling.
And? What’s your point exactly? Based on your metric, he didn’t place 11th in his event, so it’s completely irrelevant.
You aren’t adding any new information that people don’t already know. Nor are you being ‘salty.’
You’re just being a troll.
I was responding to a claim that a 21 year old must make significant improvements by their mid-twenties by pointing out that many great athletes had virtually peaked at that 21 and some are even prodigies in their teens - which won't necessarily mean they'll be the best runners in their twenties. That isn't trolling. It is debunking a false argument that improvements will be significant after 21 and are inevitable.
You are correct. Runners like Cain, Ping, Lane, and Tuohy were prodigies. Runners like Valby, Schweizer, Monson, Frerichs, amd Coburn were just good runners when young. The female American prodigies nearly always disappear.
You are correct. Runners like Cain, Ping, Lane, and Tuohy were prodigies. Runners like Valby, Schweizer, Monson, Frerichs, amd Coburn were just good runners when young. The female American prodigies nearly always disappear.
And some of the "just good runners" didn't get much faster in their twenties. But you don't know whether Valby fits that category or is going to be another college success who doesn't make it in the pros.
You are correct. Runners like Cain, Ping, Lane, and Tuohy were prodigies. Runners like Valby, Schweizer, Monson, Frerichs, amd Coburn were just good runners when young. The female American prodigies nearly always disappear.
And some of the "just good runners" didn't get much faster in their twenties. But you don't know whether Valby fits that category or is going to be another college success who doesn't make it in the pros.
And you know? The same guy that repeatedly argued running on a treadmill is a form of cross-training? You are repeatedly have to enter every Valby thread and plaster with your smarmby-parmby nonsense, discourse everyone here has grown long tired of. It’s obvious valbymania owns your little intellect, rattling around in your head.
And? What’s your point exactly? Based on your metric, he didn’t place 11th in his event, so it’s completely irrelevant.
You aren’t adding any new information that people don’t already know. Nor are you being ‘salty.’
You’re just being a troll.
I was responding to a claim that a 21 year old must make significant improvements by their mid-twenties by pointing out that many great athletes had virtually peaked at that 21 and some are even prodigies in their teens - which won't necessarily mean they'll be the best runners in their twenties. That isn't trolling. It is debunking a false argument that improvements will be significant after 21 and are inevitable.
Your point about is idiotic because your principle examples were guys back during amateurism, that left the track to get jobs and support their family. Most US distance ‘pros’, getting paid, have typically improved after the NCAA, or they aren’t paid pros for very long.
Tell that to Juliet Whittaker. This logic that being fast early means you will never be fast has never made sense to me. Statistically, almost nobody becomes world class fast. Almost nobody... "Phenom" or not. But most of the world class fast athletes were pretty good when they were younger. Athletes like Dakotah Lindwurm are the celebrated exceptions. We shouldnt be making declarations that if you are fast in 9th grade you will never be fast as an adult. Its better to think that any given high school distance athlete is vanishingly unlikely to make it to the Olympics and then see who does.
Tou don't like stating facts out loud? That is an odd way to go through life. Teen phenoms disappear. The best American women start slowly doing low mileage and gradually increase.
Distance runners. Most of the top female American sprinters were great at a young age. Not distance runners. 90% burn out.
The fact you think that "90%" of distance runners "burn out" shows just how misguided you are on statistics. not becoming an Olympian does NOT = "burning out". learn what "burn out" means. also dont fall for the misconception that today's world class distance runners were not also some of the best high school runners because they mostly were. just because they werent breaking national records doesnt mean they werent elite. everyone loves to cite Karissa Schweizer as an athlete who was supposedly barely average in high school and who was slowly developed into a world class athlete running in the Olympics. the truth is if you compare her freshman mile time to other HS freshmen who became D1 college runners you find that she was in the top 4%. thats an elite high school runner. so all we can say is that fast adult runners were likely to be fast high school runners. and that almost nobody ends up running in the Olympics.
And some of the "just good runners" didn't get much faster in their twenties. But you don't know whether Valby fits that category or is going to be another college success who doesn't make it in the pros.
And you know? The same guy that repeatedly argued running on a treadmill is a form of cross-training? You are repeatedly have to enter every Valby thread and plaster with your smarmby-parmby nonsense, discourse everyone here has grown long tired of. It’s obvious valbymania owns your little intellect, rattling around in your head.