No scholarship limits anymore! (NCAA Track and Field inequality is going to get way worse, right?)

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i think they compete fcs. Schools who are not fully funding xc/tf will not see a difference inthe scholarship game. Schools who are, can now increase scholarships to everyone on the roster (if they want). The depth of the best schools will get much better. being the 12th guy on NAU might get you a full ride(if i understand this correctly). Midmajors are going to have trouble recruiting low sticks for half scholarships. Before an athlete would choose between a half from you or a walk on spot somewhere elite. Now they’ll be choosing between a half at a midmajor or full ride at byu or nau or alabama or any other school with deep pockets who can afford it.

According to the article I read, nonP4 schools can opt to stick with current format if they forego profit sharing with athletes. I wonder if any will choose the status quo.

How could anyone who's followed the sport think that this is going to result in more scholarships for xc/track, especially for the men?

And all 105 will be in the transfer portal every year. No wonder I don't give a crap about college fball or bball any more.

Ah I got you. Can schools that maybe didn’t fully fund xc/tf before step up if they want to and fully fund?

Sure. A scholl that funded 10 will now fund 45?

Men's 1500m final at Athens 2004

That was the most perfectly executed race ever, from the moment he took the lead on, he ran each 100n segment faster than the last one.

How does one even do that? How can one have so much control over pace and effort? The battle against Lagat in the final straight was epic, and there was also the context of the race, he already being the greatest 1500m runner ever and despite that he had lost the last two olympics. So he basically HAD to win, and by god, he won.

Sorry, I'm on mobile and posted on the wrong thread 🤦‍♀️

Yes. Was just curious if there were any restrictions for non power 5 schools. This is all still a little confusing but i am thinking some schools may realize they cant compete in football or basketball and choose to go in another direction? Seeing as some major programs could cut track due to investing in football, that maybe it can lead to opportunities for a school that doesn’t? I don’t know. I am trying to be optimistic.

Why is everyone hung up on these new scholarship limits? I can see a future where the universities don’t fund any scholarships and hit up the alumni pool for NIL deals.

Why would a school waive tuition and room and board when they can get the boosters to pay them? No doubt Oregon and Florida will have a deep enough alumni pool to fully fund the 17 cross-country and 45 track athletes to some extent (some more than others).

I’m kind of curious why my school hasn’t hit me up for NIL funding to go into a pot to be distributed to the cross-country team.

Not happening. Few people care to donate millions of $ to a track team.

This is along the lines of my thinking too. It is really a way for schools to gain money from the NIL by getting boosters to fund those scholarships.

Nothing stopping a booster from paying for 30 full ride XC guys today but nobody is doing it. A rule change isn't going to impact the donor.

No a school that used to fund 10 will now fund 0, and be limited to 45 walks ons.

This is a death blow to Men’s track and cross country.

The majority of athletic departments out there are going to fund those 20 additional football players with the men’s track and cross country budget.

If the NCAA (I.e. university presidents and ADs) chooses to do away with sport sponsorship minimums (currently at 16, with a minimum of 6 per gender) then men’s track and field is out. Due to the massive roster, and double (or triple) counter that a male track athlete is, there just really isn’t going to be a lot of men’s track programs anymore. Look at Men’s swimming or men’s soccer, the majority of D-1 programs do not sponsor those sports.

Now on the flip side, Women’s track and cross country stands to gain a monumental increase in support. Take my example below:

Football: 105 counters

women’s XC: 17

women’s indoor: 45

women’s outdoor: 45

Thats one Women’s program of 107 counters (with generally only one staff an athletic department has to pay) that balances out the football hit to Title IX.

Though these changes ultimately are challenging, all will be well for track and field…. So long as you’re a woman.

And if you think every P-4 is rushing to fully fund any program (especially track and cross country) that’s not football, then you have gotten in to the select stash of the devil’s lettuce.

Has anyone explained what it means if a school opts out?

For instance if a school like NAU decided to opt out. They use the old rules, right? Meaning they can use all 12.5 scholarships (and 18 for women) for distance and have no roster limits. Why would a school like that opt in? Certainly not for the extra 4.5 scholarships they could get on the men's side...

Is there some down side to not opting in that I'm missing?

The numbers 45 and 17 are roster limits. Schools may offer scholarships up to that but they cannot exceed that many on the roster - scholarship or walk on. There is something unclear about how it applies to non P4 non football schools and how their application of revenue sharing with student athletes applies.

Basically, this is the worst communications job NCAA has ever done and that is saying a lot. So much bad reporting out there about this change.

For the millionth time - schools do not “waive” tuition and room and board for those on scholarships. The athletic departments pay ACTUAL, REAL money to the university to cover charges for these students. Why do you think we’re talking about added expense of funding 17 full rides or 45 full rides.

That’s not necessarily true. Some schools pay real dollars. Some schools discount or waive the costs. The end result is the same but the small school athletic departments that pay real dollars will struggle.