Pretty interesting/surprising this didn't happen like 2 years ago, considering he's run like crap this year so far in comparison to when he ran his PRs in 2022. Also is just 25 years old still, what a shame!
Not really. No one gets caught right the first time. It takes a while to simultaneously use too rmuch and get tested the next day. Most dopers don't ever get caught.
While this bust isn't that surprising, looking at do Nascimento's world athletics page, specifically the progression tab, is quite interesting.
In 2016 he would have been comparable age to a college freshman, between 2016-2020 he's running at about the level of a good D2 athlete in a number of events 1500-10,000m including steeplechase but really nothing of note. Then 2021 he drops a 2:06.11 in Valencia.
Is the general consensus that he was clean until 2020ish? Are low-level anabolic enough to take a good D2 runner/ D1 non-national meet qualifier D1 athlete and get them to a 2:06 level within one year? Or are we thinking there's definitely epo microdosing as well?
Wild to think that drugs can take someone who has been competing in national level athletics since he was 15 (2013) from a 3:48/14:17/29:32 level to 2:06 in one year.
Cathal Lombard went from 30:35 in the 10,000 to 27:33 and 14:23 to 13:19 in one year at 28 with just Internet EPO after being training since he was 10 years old
Why not have 2 whereabouts failures if you’re absolutely glowing? Hell, even take 3 and get a 2 year ban with less suspicioun than the whole kitchen sink of drugs
Refusing a test is an auto-ban, so I wonder if manipulating the whereabouts requires more planning than people think.
Why not have 2 whereabouts failures if you’re absolutely glowing? Hell, even take 3 and get a 2 year ban with less suspicioun than the whole kitchen sink of drugs
Refusing a test is an auto-ban, so I wonder if manipulating the whereabouts requires more planning than people think.
Well you also could get situations where the athletes literally run away from the testers like they are avoiding getting served papers for a court summons. Does that count as an auto ban?
Some athletes just didn't show up. One young woman ran her race — and then kept running after crossing the finish line, forcing a doping control officer to run after her, a coach said.
Why not have 2 whereabouts failures if you’re absolutely glowing? Hell, even take 3 and get a 2 year ban with less suspicioun than the whole kitchen sink of drugs
Refusing a test is an auto-ban, so I wonder if manipulating the whereabouts requires more planning than people think.
True. While it's trivial if you are at home (just don't open the door to anyone while glowing, and then blame a nap or a jog or a shopping trip or a quiet doorbell), it's hard to dodge a test when the tester shows up during your interval session. For that, you'd need an assistant at the stadium entry or entries to call your coach to notify you to disappear quickly.
so who's the fastest non-african born marathoner now?
I came here with a similar sentiment, but then I learned that on 2/18/24 in Sevilla, Morhad Amdouni (born in France), ran 2:03:47! So apparently Daniel Doper Nasicmento had already been uncrowned.
His girlfriend is Grazielle Zarri who has a marathon PB of 2:42. I know that Danielzinho was training in Africa but I don't know who trains him.
lmao I that's my PB (same age, same gender). She ran it at Valencia too. Can't hope for a faster course. Who would waste their time, gamble with their health, and risk sullying their reputation for a 2:42!?! I get free entry to some races and that's it lol.
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I hope that in the next LRC podcast they will defend him...
yeah, where's the LR t-shirt with all proceeds supporting DdN?
Give it time. Next week, Gault will write an editorial about two choices we have: believing the doper v. believing the anti-doping organization, and then present 25 unverified "arguments" from the doper's lawyer for the first choice, and 1 paraphrased vague statement from the AIU.
The beef shirt will come later, after the doper started a gofundme because lawyers are so expensive.
so who's the fastest non-african born marathoner now?
Morhad Amdouni has run 2:03 and was born in France, but has North African heritage so I guess that isn't what you mean. Then it's Kengo Suzuki, 2:04.56
Yeah but if his place of birth is not-african, then it's Morhad Amdouni.
Morhad Amdouni has run 2:03 and was born in France, but has North African heritage so I guess that isn't what you mean. Then it's Kengo Suzuki, 2:04.56
Kengo the clean.
Having said that i’m sure there’s a non-doped 2:03 African. Hell I think the top 3 are clean and just huge talents.
I find it hilarious to read statements like, "...I'm sure there's a non-doped 2:03 African." when you have no evidence, no proof of the claim, and haven't even met the athlete or his coach(es). Seems naïve. Where does your confidence come from?
I remember watching him go by at ~mile 9 of the 2022 NYC marathon, just an incredible amount ahead of everyone else, and thinking, no way, that's not how this works. Turns out it wasn't
That doesn’t seem like that many for a country of 200M.
We had plenty of other successful athletes who haven’t been implicated in any doping schemes. Off the top of my head In running, there were a few world class athletes like Joaquim Cruz, Ronaldo da Costa, Vanderlei Lima, Marilson dos Santos. In swimming we had Fratus, Borges, Ana Marcela, Poliana okimoto, Thiago Pereira. Plenty of gymnasts, sailors, tennis players, boxers, etc, not to mention team sports like soccer or volleyball which we were the best in the world in for a long time, although I don’t know how strict anti doping is in those.
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That doesn’t seem like that many for a country of 200M.
We had plenty of other successful athletes who haven’t been implicated in any doping schemes. Off the top of my head In running, there were a few world class athletes like Joaquim Cruz, Ronaldo da Costa, Vanderlei Lima, Marilson dos Santos. In swimming we had Fratus, Borges, Ana Marcela, Poliana okimoto, Thiago Pereira. Plenty of gymnasts, sailors, tennis players, boxers, etc, not to mention team sports like soccer or volleyball which we were the best in the world in for a long time, although I don’t know how strict anti doping is in those.
your volleyball players were doping
your tennis players, despite never winning anything, are always glowing
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