Didn’t Kejelcha do all of the work for Gebrihwet in that oslo 12:36? To me, his 12:38 was way more impressive due to all the frontrunning he did.
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Maxwell Gem wrote:
People need to stop acting like Jakob is just a kicker and the Ethiopians simply need to run the legs off him. Jakob is at WORST a 12:40 guy and more like a 12:32-33 guy after a little focus on the event. Their only hope is that he falters due to it being his 5th race of the week.
Exactly! How can you run legs off the best legs. Nobody is faster then Jakob, especially in 5000m (sick, tired, giving them advantage to do whatever they want in the first half, on the end of the race the result is the same.)
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LarsL11 wrote:
Imagine leaving the decision up to who get tripped up, food posoning, a small injury etc. The US system is no guarantee that the top 3 gets to go, just the 3 best placements on a random meet, where the tactics of the race and qualities of the winners might be nothing like the real deal.
Imagine leaving the decision up to who get tripped up, food posoning, a small injury etc. The Olympic system is no guarantee that the top 3 get medals, just the 3 best placements on a random meet, where the tactics of the race and qualities of the winners might be nothing like the real deal.
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Ghjbvf wrote:
The Ethiopians just love shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to their selection for Olympic/worlds. Putting Deresa Geleta, a guy who’s never even competed in a world marathon majors in the men’s marathon team over Tola, leaving the world indoor champ Hailu out of the women’s 1500m and now leaving Kejelcha out of the 5000m. They can’t coach the men’s shorter distances even with all the talents that they have (no one in the 800m and all 3 in the 1500m most likely not making it to the finals) and they let politics and favoritism get into their selection process for the longer distances and cut their medal chances. I won’t be at all surprised if no one on the men’s side get a gold and the Kenyans sweep them on the women’s side from the 800m to the marathon.
They have to send the guy least likely to create national shame by failing a drug test.
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Kejelcha is one of my favorite athletes. This was obviously a terrible call by the federation.
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runner1991 wrote:
Kejelcha is one of my favorite athletes. This was obviously a terrible call by the federation.
This is beyond ridiculous that they left him off the 5k. The smart thing would be for the other guy to decline his spot for Kejelcha to be placed on the 5k list.
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rojo wrote:
InAgreementHere wrote:
I actually agree with this. I was initially surprised, but after looking into it, I'm cool with it. In addition to what you said, Mehary has also run 3:34 for the 1500 indoors this year and ran that at world indoors. That, in addition to running 7:33 indoors, 12:54 outdoors and 26:37 outdoors, gives him some really impressive range heading into Paris. Only issue otherwise would be inexperience...but I think he has the tools to back this selection up. Beat Gebrhiwet by 35 seconds at the Ethiopian olympic trials 10k too!
You guys are insane.
I wondered indoors if Mehary is the future but he's definitely not deserving of a spot on the team in 2024. He was just 9th at Worlds indoors and only 6th in LA (Behind Grant Fisher). It's a travesty.
Anyways, I"m stunned no one has linked to Kejelcha's faceook rant. See the link below but my favorite quote was this:
When will I be allowed to compete with a clean and calm mind???
The decision that was made on me is not fair, as it has been done repeatedly before, it is deliberately not intended for the result of the country. I request the people and the government of my country to stand with me and oppose my oppression and help me get the right justice.
Rojo, you urged Cooper Teare to double at the US Trials and we saw how that went. Now you are calling for Kejelcha to double in Paris. It's harder than you think.
Let's look at the US Trials. Grant Fisher pulled off the double, yes, but he was barely able to hold off a 13:05 guy. I think the 10000 took something out of him. Woody Kincaid was awful in the 5000. Nico Young and Andrew Hunter were planning to double but both skipped the 5000. With the exception of Fisher, the guys who did best in the 5000 -- Nur, Wolfe, Blanks, Jacobs, McGorty -- were running on fresh legs.
You are always criticizing Ethiopian coaching. But their record isn't too bad. Barega got gold at the Tokyo Olympics and has medaled at two separate outdoor world championships.
Gebrhiwet has three outdoor World Championship medals. Girma has won four global steeplechase silvers. Even your man Kejelcha, a perpetual choker, has an outdoor World Championships medal. On the women's side, Gidey has four outdoor global championship medals, including one gold. Tsegay has five outdoor global championship medals, including two golds.You cite Mehary's poor performance at the world indoor championship in March and at a race in Los Angeles two months ago. You ignore Mehary's more recent performance (just four weeks ago) at the Ethiopian 10000 meter trials in Spain where he finished in 26:37.93, less than 7 seconds behind Kejelcha. Then you write: "Olympics should not be about who has had the greatest career or who has the greatest CV. It should be about who is in the best shape right now. And it's not even close." But <7 seconds in a 10K is kinda close.
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I agree with you RoJo. Kejelcha is a fierce competitor with awesome range.
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RunAnnArbor wrote:
I agree with you RoJo. Kejelcha is a fierce competitor with awesome range.
He belongs in Paris in a couple of weeks.Oh he will be there.
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he is running the 10000, yes?
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Paul Bugatti wrote:
Happening TWICE doesn’t mean it will always happen
It's hilarious to read that on this forum. After all, in the 1500 twice means forever.
Regarding Ethiopia it's not startling what they are doing and it's entirely consistent. They are placing confidence in their most talented youth at the expense of the close but not quite types.
There is no question it was correct regarding Hailu. Her strategy is consistent and provides no chance. But I would have gone with Kejelcha. He's kind of a poor man's Kiprop. On his day he might get it right by accident.
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colorunner123 wrote:
rojo wrote:
You guys are insane.
I wondered indoors if Mehary is the future but he's definitely not deserving of a spot on the team in 2024. He was just 9th at Worlds indoors and only 6th in LA (Behind Grant Fisher). It's a travesty.
Anyways, I"m stunned no one has linked to Kejelcha's faceook rant. See the link below but my favorite quote was this:
When will I be allowed to compete with a clean and calm mind???
The decision that was made on me is not fair, as it has been done repeatedly before, it is deliberately not intended for the result of the country. I request the people and the government of my country to stand with me and oppose my oppression and help me get the right justice.
Rojo, you urged Cooper Teare to double at the US Trials and we saw how that went. Now you are calling for Kejelcha to double in Paris. It's harder than you think.
Let's look at the US Trials. Grant Fisher pulled off the double, yes, but he was barely able to hold off a 13:05 guy. I think the 10000 took something out of him. Woody Kincaid was awful in the 5000. Nico Young and Andrew Hunter were planning to double but both skipped the 5000. With the exception of Fisher, the guys who did best in the 5000 -- Nur, Wolfe, Blanks, Jacobs, McGorty -- were running on fresh legs.
You are always criticizing Ethiopian coaching. But their record isn't too bad. Barega got gold at the Tokyo Olympics and has medaled at two separate outdoor world championships.
Gebrhiwet has three outdoor World Championship medals. Girma has won four global steeplechase silvers. Even your man Kejelcha, a perpetual choker, has an outdoor World Championships medal. On the women's side, Gidey has four outdoor global championship medals, including one gold. Tsegay has five outdoor global championship medals, including two golds.You cite Mehary's poor performance at the world indoor championship in March and at a race in Los Angeles two months ago. You ignore Mehary's more recent performance (just four weeks ago) at the Ethiopian 10000 meter trials in Spain where he finished in 26:37.93, less than 7 seconds behind Kejelcha. Then you write: "Olympics should not be about who has had the greatest career or who has the greatest CV. It should be about who is in the best shape right now. And it's not even close." But <7 seconds in a 10K is kinda close.
fair point, but they should still have more medals in the 5/10 regardless over the last 3-4 years ahead of the Kenyan guys who sneak in the silver/bronze given their PBs.
Losing to Jakob or Cheptegei shouldn’t be seen as “terrible”30 -
Kejelcha under performs in every global final. If Parsons/bienenfeld got the Q this year those two would've been battling in the final 1200m
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Mocazilla wrote:
fair point, but they should still have more medals in the 5/10 regardless over the last 3-4 years ahead of the Kenyan guys who sneak in the silver/bronze given their PBs.
Losing to Jakob or Cheptegei shouldn’t be seen as “terrible”Yea the 5,000 has been the failure event. Jacob Krop and Luis Grijalva who they can run away from on the circuit keep beating them. Oscar Chelimo once in 2022 too. In 2021, in a faster race they didn’t get it done either.
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Awsi Dooger wrote:
Paul Bugatti wrote:
Happening TWICE doesn’t mean it will always happen
It's hilarious to read that on this forum. After all, in the 1500 twice means forever.
Regarding Ethiopia it's not startling what they are doing and it's entirely consistent. They are placing confidence in their most talented youth at the expense of the close but not quite types.
There is no question it was correct regarding Hailu. Her strategy is consistent and provides no chance. But I would have gone with Kejelcha. He's kind of a poor man's Kiprop. On his day he might get it right by accident.
Referring to Kelejcha as less talented is insane. Hes run a 12:38 and 2 world indoor titles
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Looks official now with Gebrhiwet, Yihune, Mehary and Barega the 4 Ethiopians entered in 5000
A couple other things - if anyone paced the final as a team tactic Yihune pacing his training parter Kejelcha as he did officially (but finished both races) in Oslo DL 5000 and Castellón 10k road race would have seemed the most likely with Kejelcha on the team.
Now the team has two guys with no experience at an outdoor global senior champs and Gebrhiwet. Also its worth noting Gebrhiwet got positively crushed by Kejelcha and Mehary (26:31/26:37 to 27:12) at the Ethiopian 10000m trials. Perhaps something was wrong on that day for Hagos and he is a better 5000m runner but Kejelcha very rightly could have be considered the favourite Ethiopian and thus a huge medal threat at 5000
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Will coop wrote:
Looks official now with Gebrhiwet, Yihune, Mehary and Barega the 4 Ethiopians entered in 5000
A couple other things - if anyone paced the final as a team tactic Yihune pacing his training parter Kejelcha as he did officially (but finished both races) in Oslo DL 5000 and Castellón 10k road race would have seemed the most likely with Kejelcha on the team.
Now the team has two guys with no experience at an outdoor global senior champs and Gebrhiwet. Also its worth noting Gebrhiwet got positively crushed by Kejelcha and Mehary (26:31/26:37 to 27:12) at the Ethiopian 10000m trials. Perhaps something was wrong on that day for Hagos and he is a better 5000m runner but Kejelcha very rightly could have be considered the favourite Ethiopian and thus a huge medal threat at 5000
100% I see team tactics happening. Will be a fast final and especially with Kiplimo and Cheptegei who in 2021 pushed the pace. We could very well see a sub 12:50 race.
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