JESSICA MF HULL 3:50.83

Why didn't you mention the biggest Factor - the shoes. I find that odd, of you.

I agree. Possibly Emily Mackay. Jessica looks significantly leaner. Coree mcgees instagram has a photo together.

Yes. You are. In the same vein seven years pro runner and clean and all off a sudden doping. I doubt it.

why do you doubt it? Have you read any accounts of dopers? A lot of them start off clean with good intentions, and get into doping later on. It happens all the time. She probably realized she was falling into the pit of being forgotten with her clean times and started with the special sauce.

There is simply no way, no way that a seven second PR into very obvious doping zones of times is clean.

What about Tsegay's 3:50.30?

Because of the testing. What do you propose she is on? And if so why won't testing catch it? I won't believe it until proven.

4th ever non Chinese and third if you pull drug coach Jama Aden's Benzene.

Does he still coach? Rodgers?

What country is Faith from? How is their recent doping record?

If it were a Non.African country they would have a blanket ban by now.

Lance Armstrong famously never failed a test. Neither did Marion Jones and they were in a totally different era.

OK she is blond, maybe beautiful for some but I dont see her.

She didn't anything exceptional in the past 7 years

en.wikipedia.org

Jessica Hull

Jessica Jolliffe (née Hull born 22 October 1996) is an Australian middle- and long-distance runner. She is or has been the Oceanian record holder for the 1500 metres (indoors and out), mile (indoors and out) and 3000 metres,...

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The mile record is only a fraction of a second worse than the 1500 equivalent. It's going to be a looooong time until women are running a 3:42 1500 or equivalent.

Here are two progressions:

Faith Kipyegon, January 10, 1994:

1500 Metres

2010 4:17.1h Nairobi (KEN) 17 JUN 2010
2011 4:09.48 Lille (FRA) 09 JUL 2011
2012 4:03.82 Shanghai Stadium, Shanghai (CHN) 19 MAY 2012 (Age 18, at level of Americans Cain and Efraimson when they were in hs)
2013 3:56.98 Suhaim bin Hamad Stadium, Doha (QAT) 10 MAY 2013 (7s drop at 19)
2014 3:58.01 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 31 MAY 2014 (Also * 8:23 3k this year at 20)
2015 3:59.32 Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles (BEL) 11 SEP 2015
2016 3:56.41 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 28 MAY 2016 (1st pr in 3y, half a second)
2017 3:57.04 Boudewijnstadion, Bruxelles (BEL) 01 SEP 2017
2019 3:54.22 Khalifa International Stadium, Doha (QAT) 05 OCT 2019 (1st major drop since 2013, after six years, a year after giving birth to her daughter in 2018, she drops 2s)
2020 3:59.05 Mestský Stadion, Ostrava (CZE) 08 SEP 2020

What follows is well beyond anything she'd done before at age 27, a 3s drop, the same age as Hull, but part of it was the shoes, and her pr at this point was from Champs and she could be figured to drop time in a Monaco setup single race.
2021 3:51.07 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 09 JUL 2021 (superspikes/Monaco, 3s drop)
2022 3:50.37 Stade Louis II, Monaco (MON) 10 AUG 2022 (another .8s drop)
2023 3:49.11 Stadio Luigi Ridolfi, Firenze (ITA) 02 JUN 2023 (WR, another 1.2s drop at 29)
2024 3:49.04 Stade Charléty, Paris (FRA) 07 JUL 2024 (WR at 30!)

Jessica Hull, October 22, 1996:

Notable that she was really slow at 800m until this year. Her pr had been 2:03.78 in 2019 at age 22. This year she ran 1:59.99 June 22, the obvious precursor to this race. So, her speed is markedly improved and the leader went through 800m in about 2:03 today.

2011 4:45.85 Sydney (AUS) 12 MAR 2011
2012 4:28.11 Sydney (AUS) 18 MAR 2012
2013 4:27.60 Townsville (AUS) 07 DEC 2013
2014 4:20.66 Sydney (AUS) 08 FEB 2014
2015 4:20.49 Sydney (AUS) 28 FEB 2015
2017 4:13.48 Eugene, OR (USA) 05 MAY 2017 (big drop in two years after going to Oregon)
2018 4:08.75 Eugene, OR (USA) 09 JUN 2018 (another big drop)
2019 4:01.80 Khalifa International Stadium, Doha (QAT) 03 OCT 2019 (19 second drop in three years in Oregon)
2020 4:00.42 Olympiastadion, Berlin (GER) 13 SEP 2020
2021 3:58.81 National Stadium, Tokyo (JPN) 04 AUG 2021 (another 1.5 second drop from COVID year, but now she's got the superspikes, presumably, as a Nike athlete)
2022 3:59.31 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 28 MAY 2022
2023 3:57.29 Stadio Luigi Ridolfi, Firenze (ITA) 02 JUN 2023 (another 1.5 sec drop after 2y)
2024 3:50.83 Stade Charléty, Paris (FRA) 07 JUL 2024 (total 6.5s drop from 2023 at age 27)

I think Bill Rodgers was coached by Bill Squires in his Prime, Pete Julian May have Consulted Bill Rodgers as he became mostly self coached, I am sure Pete Julian contributed to Bill Rodgers career as I am Sure Bill Squires consulted with him about training methods, but I think Bill Squires was Rodgers Main Coach.

Americans will not medal in Paris. These two just up the stake again. Left Muir in a dust. Which Nike spikes were the two wearing?

She has a strong mile time, 4:15.34 and decent 5000m time, 14:43.8, but this 1500 puts her on another level. I personally can't imagine running a 3:50.83 1500 and only a 1:59.99 800 though! Maybe if she had run an 800 today, she would've been at 1:55-ish judging from the 1500 time?

both of these are so laughable, but honestly Jess is worse. 3:57 to 3:50 will forever get me.

People judge doping by circumstances. Kenya had a tons of dopers in last several years. They don't seem to care as long as they can cash the check until they get caught. Kipyegon should be an exception as she already gathered enough coins. She is not desperate. I don't think Hull would be doping either because she had it pretty good without running faster. She is the top distance gal for Australia. Why ruin that with doping and ruin her career? This is why I think it's the spikes. Were they wearing new prototype Nike middle distance spikes similar to ones worn by 5000 & 10000 runners in US trials?

They both were wearing the ones with the air bags today. I could sideline a discussion on running mechanics as to why that may be important, particularly for Hull, but I’ll save it, for now.