I'm still reeling. King Rudisha's WR doesn't seem so out of reach anymore.
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So true I. A thread post recently asking who could run sub 1:40, I answered an upcoming runner not currently old enough to compete. I'm still not saying Emmanuel will run sub 1:40 but he seems to have the potential to one day THREATEN David Rudisha legendary 800m WR as Emmanuel is still young. IMPRESSED 😮
Just so we are aware (not sure if someone already mentioned this) - that is the equivalent of around 1.40.2 at sea level.
For a real life comparison, Rudisha in 2012 ran 1.42.14 on the same track - this was two weeks after he had run 1.41.74 in NYC and about 7 weeks before he ran 1.40.91 in the Olympic final.
Didn't remember this, thanks.
Two key things from this run:
1. It was totally controlled.
2. He's so young.
I'll literally be shocked if he doesn't run faster. Also, as 800m runners go, he's built like a tank.
a "totally controlled" wire-to-wire win in 1:41 that saw just over a 1 second PB improvement after 3 seasons in a row of consistently running 1:43.5 give or take a half second
i'll literally be shocked if he doesn't get sanctioned within a year.
that was the easiest 1:41 that has ever been run. honestly looked like he could have held that pace another 200 meters at least and knocked out a 2:07 1k 🤣
The positive from these fast times is there will be little or no sandbagging at the Olympics. I said 2 weeks ago someone will have to run 1:42 to win olympics - now I'm thinking 1:41.
Agree, and isn't that how it should be? If 1500m specialists can ru 1:43 and 1:44 in an off-distance, I would think the olympic 800m should be significantly faster.
the guys progression isn't red flag however. 143 at age 16.
so, he does not have the full package of red flags as say Katir, Ramzi,
2021 1:43.76 Moi International Sports Centre, Kasarani, Nairobi (KEN) 22 AUG 2021 2022 1:44.01 Moi International Sports Centre, Kasarani, Nairobi (KEN) 25 JUN 2022 2023 1:42.80 Hayward Field, Eugene, OR (USA) 17 SEP 2023
a "totally controlled" wire-to-wire win in 1:41 that saw just over a 1 second PB improvement after 3 seasons in a row of consistently running 1:43.5 give or take a half second
i'll literally be shocked if he doesn't get sanctioned within a year.
that was the easiest 1:41 that has ever been run. honestly looked like he could have held that pace another 200 meters at least and knocked out a 2:07 1k 🤣
Last year he ran 1:43.32 or faster 4 times including 1:42.80. And he went from Budapest to Xiamen, China to Eugene, Oregon over a 3-week span will hitting his 2 fastest times and earning a silver medal. Not exactly ideal.
Just so we are aware (not sure if someone already mentioned this) - that is the equivalent of around 1.40.2 at sea level.
For a real life comparison, Rudisha in 2012 ran 1.42.14 on the same track - this was two weeks after he had run 1.41.74 in NYC and about 7 weeks before he ran 1.40.91 in the Olympic final.
You’re really thinking altitude matters? For one, it’s 5,500 feet. For another it’s a Kenyan in an 800m race. Having one data point of Rudisha is not conclusive at all. How about the scores of Kenyan 800m runners who only marginally improve if at all in European races from a time perspective.
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Just so we are aware (not sure if someone already mentioned this) - that is the equivalent of around 1.40.2 at sea level.
For a real life comparison, Rudisha in 2012 ran 1.42.14 on the same track - this was two weeks after he had run 1.41.74 in NYC and about 7 weeks before he ran 1.40.91 in the Olympic final.
Where have you got these theories. There are some discussion in this video that compare Omanyala 9.79 100m Kenyan trials to roughly 9.90 in the sea level.
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The impact of high altitude on performance was not well known until the 1968 Mexico City Olympics. Now it is a staple of high-performance athletic training.
Its quite hypothetical but I'm going to conjecture that Wanyonyi will be beaten by Sedjati next time they will confront in DL. This based on the robustness of races.
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Actually I find the Kenyan trial of the 1500m a bit of drama and the only beneficiaries are Kerr and Jakob. With their meticulous "mico-managing" system.
Performances like this frighten the theorist of the new renewal...
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I always hit where it hurt.
Sadajiti will have to up his EPO injections to El G levels.
Sadajiti will have to up his EPO injections to El G levels.
I just feel sorry for guys like Ben Pattison.
Why is Ben Pattison due anything for being nearly 2.5s slower than Seb Coe from 45 years ago? He’s getting the most out of himself but needs to step it up.
Where have you got these theories. There are some discussion in this video that compare Omanyala 9.79 100m Kenyan trials to roughly 9.90 in the sea level.
Its quite hypothetical but I'm going to conjecture that Wanyonyi will be beaten by Sedjati next time they will confront in DL. This based on the robustness of races.
Is this a joke post?
"My theories? Wait - you aren't seriously contending that the impacts of altitude on a 100m race are the same as on an 800m race right?
Congratulations - the world has known for a long time that anaerobic events (such as the 100m, the LJ etc etc) benefit from altitude. At the same time the world has also know that events with an aerobic component (which basically begin with the 800m which is 70% +/- 3-4% aerobic) are compromised by the basic reduction in oxygen saturation in the air. Congratulations you even linked an article on this - did you miss the large image at the top of your article with the distance guy flat on his back having oxygen given to him through a tank? Why do you think that was?
It's why distance runners go to altitude to train for months, It's why the NCAA has conversion calculators to give athletes who perform at altitude a fair adjustment (in both directions - positively (distance) and negatively (sprints) compared to sea level.
Yeah, the 800m is obviously not as impacted as a 5 or 10000m, that's not the claim - but it's still more difficult to run at that altitude than at sea level. That conversion is not my math buddy. And yes it is determined by the individual athlete - there is no one perfect conversion factor, but the bottom line remains, 1.41.70 at 6000ft is going to be much faster at sea level. Is it 1.5 seconds? Some conversions suggest so. Could it 1 second for Wanyoni? Maybe - but it's something. It gave us a very good indication of Rudisha in 2012 and what he might be capable of and that came to fruition.
I'm starting to understand your profile as a poster, don't worry you aren't rare - basic, surface level logic and knowledge - not much true understanding of the sport. I don't really think you should be engaging to be perfectly honest. You are the classic pocket-knife in a gun fight guy. Anyway our engagement is over.
Really happy for Wycliffe Kinyamal. Hope this is his year for a global medal.
Kinyamal is very talented but very poor in tactics! Check his records since he broke out! He has made national team and even reached finals at world champs but would finish 7th or 8th! If you asked, I wouldvsay he is a mental problem. Very similar to Alfred Kipketer.
He always kicks hard from 300 to go and has nothing left for the last 50.
"My theories? Wait - you aren't seriously contending that the impacts of altitude on a 100m race are the same as on an 800m race right?
Congratulations - the world has known for a long time that anaerobic events (such as the 100m, the LJ etc etc) benefit from altitude. At the same time the world has also know that events with an aerobic component (which basically begin with the 800m which is 70% +/- 3-4% aerobic) are compromised by the basic reduction in oxygen saturation in the air. Congratulations you even linked an article on this - did you miss the large image at the top of your article with the distance guy flat on his back having oxygen given to him through a tank? Why do you think that was?
It's why distance runners go to altitude to train for months, It's why the NCAA has conversion calculators to give athletes who perform at altitude a fair adjustment (in both directions - positively (distance) and negatively (sprints) compared to sea level.
Yeah, the 800m is obviously not as impacted as a 5 or 10000m, that's not the claim - but it's still more difficult to run at that altitude than at sea level. That conversion is not my math buddy. And yes it is determined by the individual athlete - there is no one perfect conversion factor, but the bottom line remains, 1.41.70 at 6000ft is going to be much faster at sea level. Is it 1.5 seconds? Some conversions suggest so. Could it 1 second for Wanyoni? Maybe - but it's something. It gave us a very good indication of Rudisha in 2012 and what he might be capable of and that came to fruition.
I'm starting to understand your profile as a poster, don't worry you aren't rare - basic, surface level logic and knowledge - not much true understanding of the sport. I don't really think you should be engaging to be perfectly honest. You are the classic pocket-knife in a gun fight guy. Anyway our engagement is over.
Again what are you basing your 800m conversion on for a Kenyan at 5,500 feet? Rudisha having a maybe .5s adjustment? That could easily be running unpressed in a qualifying race versus being paced in a DL race. So, it sure seems like nothing to me. Wanyonyi and Kinyamal have run at altitude/ sea-level interchangeably in their careers. So has Elias Ngeny, Alex Ngeno Kipngetich and many more.
In an exclusive interview on Wednesday, Wanyonyi disclosed that he is polishing his act at the 2 Running Club at Kapsabet under the 2007 world 800m champion Janeth Jepkosgei and Kenyan-based Italian coach Claudio Berardelli.
Athletics coach Claudio Berardelli has been charged over the alleged administration of a prohibited performance enhancing substance to a Kenyan marathon champion. Berardelli, who was arrested with fellow-Italian sports coach Federico Rosa last month, denied the charges in a Nairobi court on Tuesday and was released on bail. Rosa has also denied the charges. Berardelli is accused of administering EPO to Rita Jeptoo in 2014. He was charged along with two Kenyans, who were also freed on bail.
Athletics coach Claudio Berardelli has been charged over the alleged administration of a prohibited performance enhancing substance to a Kenyan marathon champion.
You’re really thinking altitude matters? For one, it’s 5,500 feet. For another it’s a Kenyan in an 800m race. Having one data point of Rudisha is not conclusive at all. How about the scores of Kenyan 800m runners who only marginally improve if at all in European races from a time perspective.
I do. I think it matters. For one Nairobi is 5900ft - it's not like running up Everest but it's also not sea level. So if you are asking me if I think it's easier to run in Monaco or Nairobi from a physiological standpoint then my answer is it's easier in Monaco.
I don't get your data point example? I use Rudisha because he's the only relevant guy we have to make a comparison. When he ran 1.42.1 on that track back in 2012 I remember it was a pretty big deal for this reason. Nobody else has really approached that sort of performance level at this altitude. And just as I don't have data on every Kenyan 800m runner and how they ran in Europe compared to Nairobi neither do you. And you also know why that would be tough to put into context because not every Kenyan runner that runs fast at their trials gets to go to Europe and run Zurich, Monaco, the DL final etc etc.
Your contention straight up is that altitude doesn't matter and this was just a run of the mill 1.41.70?
Again what are you basing your 800m conversion on for a Kenyan at 5,500 feet? Rudisha having a maybe .5s adjustment? That could easily be running unpressed in a qualifying race versus being paced in a DL race. So, it sure seems like nothing to me. Wanyonyi and Kinyamal have run at altitude/ sea-level interchangeably in their careers. So has Elias Ngeny, Alex Ngeno Kipngetich and many more.
So again, altitude (even this height, not extreme, but still altitude) is meaningless in the 800m and you don't expect much of a difference when at least the big names in the race come to sea level to compete? Okay, gotcha - we can agree to disagree on this point.
So again, altitude (even this height, not extreme, but still altitude) is meaningless in the 800m and you don't expect much of a difference when at least the big names in the race come to sea level to compete? Okay, gotcha - we can agree to disagree on this point.
Yes. And there is plenty of data to back up that is true! It’s not particularly some crazy revelation either. Wanyonyi ran 1:43.76 to win World Juniors. He always runs a top performance at Kip Keino/Trials. This is mirrored by the other Kenyans. If you can find an example of a Kenyan running the 800m seriously hindered by altitude I’d be pretty surprised. Go on down the line. Festus Lagat, Elias Ngeny, Wyclife Kinyamal, Tim Cheruiyot, Alex Ngeno Kipngetich.
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Lol, even Rosa sacked Wayoni's coach for his association with doped athletes.
Rosa said he did not believe Berardelli was involved in any doping but "wasn't on top" of the issue at his training camp in Kenya. "We do not say that Claudio is involved in the problem, and we know he has nothing to do with it, but (he) was not able to pay enough attention to his own athletes," Rosa said. Rosa said the company oversaw five Kenyan training camps but there were only doping problems in the one controlled by Berardelli, and so "we decided to stop working with him." Three Kenyans coached by Berardelli have now been banned for doping: Marathoners Mathew Kisorio and Jeptoo, and most recently 800-meter runner Agatha Jeruto, whose four-year ban for the anabolic steroid agent Norandrosterone was announced by the IAAF and Athletics Kenya last week.
The former coach of banned marathon runner Rita Jeptoo has had his contract terminated by his employers after another Kenyan under his control failed a doping test.
Is 1:41.71 correct? On the screen the time shown was 1:41.27. I have timed it two times and came up with around 1:41.4.
What? The clock near the finish line reads 1:41.71. I don’t see 1:41.27 anywhere. What the heck are you doing timing a video yourself when there’s a FAT result?
Because on the live stream 1:41.27 was shown.
I've timed it several times now and always came up with 1:41.4. Why shouldn't I do this?
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