It’s really not crazy complicated, she got injured early May but didn’t miss much time. It did spook her a bit and instead of doing crazy travel to Pre a few weeks post-injury she stayed put. She was never going to race in China or the early DL stops. 3:53.99 is a really impressive time, but Kenyans are only slowed by 1-2s in a 1500m at altitude.
Yep it just sounds like she’s been very sensible. She had no need to do any DL/ The Pre. She’s not like Jakob who has to ‘race himself in to shape’ competing at every opportunity. She knows that’s too risky and she doesn’t need to do it. As witnessed today.
Every time she steps on the track she proves her rep as high responder to drugs.
You can't say that. The mods have decreed that to raise the issue of Kenyan doping - which is unparalleled in the sport - in the context of Kenyan running is "off topic". It's like going back to 1983 to see Kratochvilova running but we aren't allowed to put it in the context of E Bloc doping.
I recall seeing Kipyegon getting soundly beaten by Hassan in the world championships a few years ago. She is nothing like that runner today. It's just like Jarmila and the good old days.
I usually agree with you on doping, but you are twisting facts and taking things out of context with this comment.
When Hassan beat Kipyegon in Doha at Worlds in 2019, Kipyegon was just returning from giving birth. It was further thought that Hassan was using drugs at the time being part of the Salazar group. Please keep everything in context.
The announcers were talking about the women 5000m racers as if a bunch of school girls were running around. No knowledge, nothing. Extremely embarrassing how retarded such boys approaching women top elite athletes. And no audience at all, except for a few coaches. Must've been a bore, except their fellow women top athletes.
You can't say that. The mods have decreed that to raise the issue of Kenyan doping - which is unparalleled in the sport - in the context of Kenyan running is "off topic". It's like going back to 1983 to see Kratochvilova running but we aren't allowed to put it in the context of E Bloc doping.
I recall seeing Kipyegon getting soundly beaten by Hassan in the world championships a few years ago. She is nothing like that runner today. It's just like Jarmila and the good old days.
I usually agree with you on doping, but you are twisting facts and taking things out of context with this comment.
When Hassan beat Kipyegon in Doha at Worlds in 2019, Kipyegon was just returning from giving birth. It was further thought that Hassan was using drugs at the time being part of the Salazar group. Please keep everything in context.
I agree that Hassan was almost certainly doped back then. Kipyegon was always good but she suddenly went to another level around 2021, lopping several seconds off her best 1500 time. However I'm not saying she was clean and is now doped. But she has shown an accelerated improvement as she is getting older that shows no sign of abating, regardless of injury. Doping certainly aids that. It is the level she has attained, of 3:49 for the 1500 and 14k for the 5k, that I simply don't find credible in a female athlete. Added to that, she comes from a nation that is now the worst for doping in distance running.
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I usually agree with you on doping, but you are twisting facts and taking things out of context with this comment.
When Hassan beat Kipyegon in Doha at Worlds in 2019, Kipyegon was just returning from giving birth. It was further thought that Hassan was using drugs at the time being part of the Salazar group. Please keep everything in context.
I agree that Hassan was almost certainly doped back then. Kipyegon was always good but she suddenly went to another level around 2021, lopping several seconds off her best 1500 time. However I'm not saying she was clean and is now doped. But she has shown an accelerated improvement as she is getting older that shows no sign of abating, regardless of injury. Doping certainly aids that. It is the level she has attained, of 3:49 for the 1500 and 14k for the 5k, that I simply don't find credible in a female athlete. Added to that, she comes from a nation that is now the worst for doping in distance running.
But it wasn't just Kipyegon. Post-pandemic distance records have been rewritten almost across the board, espeically for women. Kipyegon's improvement just mirrors what we have seen in all distance running. Just compare NCAA and HS times before and after covid. They are massively faster now. That cannot just be attributed to PEDs.
Obviously the shoes play a role, as do pacing lights for the top athletes. Kipyegon went from 3:54 in 2019 to 3:51 in 2021 post-pandemic, to 3:50 in 2022 and 3:49 in 2023. That doesn't strike me as a dramatic drop in the context of the improvements elsewhere.
I'm not suggesting that she is clean - I have no idea. And I'm not suggesting PEDs are not widely used among professional athletes. Drugs are woven into the fabric of our society, so why should be expect sports to be different.
Whether she is doping or not, Kipyegon has always been a talent, from winning world junior XC at age 17, along with two 1500 junior titles. She came up in a system where talent was identified early and nurtured. She had access to the best coaching and the best competition and training partners as a teenager. Yet, even with all those advantages, with super shoes, lights, fast tracks, etc. she is still barely faster than a few obscure Chinese teenagers were 30+ years ago. We all believe those Chinese runners were doped "to the gills". But do we really believe, all else being equal, they were just as fast as Faith Kipyegon in her prime?
I agree that Hassan was almost certainly doped back then. Kipyegon was always good but she suddenly went to another level around 2021, lopping several seconds off her best 1500 time. However I'm not saying she was clean and is now doped. But she has shown an accelerated improvement as she is getting older that shows no sign of abating, regardless of injury. Doping certainly aids that. It is the level she has attained, of 3:49 for the 1500 and 14k for the 5k, that I simply don't find credible in a female athlete. Added to that, she comes from a nation that is now the worst for doping in distance running.
But it wasn't just Kipyegon. Post-pandemic distance records have been rewritten almost across the board, espeically for women. Kipyegon's improvement just mirrors what we have seen in all distance running. Just compare NCAA and HS times before and after covid. They are massively faster now. That cannot just be attributed to PEDs.
Obviously the shoes play a role, as do pacing lights for the top athletes. Kipyegon went from 3:54 in 2019 to 3:51 in 2021 post-pandemic, to 3:50 in 2022 and 3:49 in 2023. That doesn't strike me as a dramatic drop in the context of the improvements elsewhere.
I'm not suggesting that she is clean - I have no idea. And I'm not suggesting PEDs are not widely used among professional athletes. Drugs are woven into the fabric of our society, so why should be expect sports to be different.
Whether she is doping or not, Kipyegon has always been a talent, from winning world junior XC at age 17, along with two 1500 junior titles. She came up in a system where talent was identified early and nurtured. She had access to the best coaching and the best competition and training partners as a teenager. Yet, even with all those advantages, with super shoes, lights, fast tracks, etc. she is still barely faster than a few obscure Chinese teenagers were 30+ years ago. We all believe those Chinese runners were doped "to the gills". But do we really believe, all else being equal, they were just as fast as Faith Kipyegon in her prime?
Talent and doping go hand in hand. But with doping we don't really know how good anyone really is because it changes the game.
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