This is 100% NOT a left-wing issue. I'm liberal as they come and all my liberal associates and friends are 100% not supportive of trans athletes competing with natural born females in sports. There is a major advantage and every girl I coach supports trans rights 100% in every other aspect of life but this is an invasion by male born athletes with advantages into girls sports where the playing field is not fair. Why should a trans athlete think their taking away a medal stand spot be welcomed by girls competing at a disadvantage???
Sadly it is though, as that is the party that's also not condemning it.
True, but the other hand, there are things we are condemning that have more impact on the world, such as fascism, overthrowing democracy, ignoring climate change, poor ethics in the Supreme Court, Russian aggression into Ukraine, etc. No party is perfect but you have to look broadly.
That's so strong and brave of you to say it here, but why don't you say it where it matters?
You people don't see that voting for these parties and these policies is supporting this?
You are making an incorrect assumption.
I am a Sports Management professor, and when appropriate to the curriculum I openly share with students my position that we created girls' and women's sports to create opportunity for fair competition based on genetic differences (sex), not on gender identity. I also share the position, which I believe is a fact, that there is no way the crafters of Title IX (or RIchard Nixon who signed it) ever wrote that law to allow XY humans to compete with girls.
In the world of higher education, that is not a completely safe position to take, as you can imagine.
One could argue that I am putting my job on the line by taking the position that I do.
I'll ask you, have YOU put your job on the line for this cause?
I seriously doubt it.
My guess is that what I am doing is far braver than anything you do, hiding behind a screen and keyboard.
You really do seem like a nice reasonable person. But it seems crazy to me you don't believe this is a problem created by liberalism. You openly admit you're lucky you haven't been fired for your perfectly rational views. Who would be firing you, harassing you, destroying your life for such a rational view in liberal academia? It certainly wouldn't be the 6% of Republicans you reference earlier. Face it, liberals seek to destroy the lives of those who hold opposing views on this. This shouldn't be an unsafe position that you're putting your job on the line for. But it is liberals who have made that the case, not Republicans
Sadly it is though, as that is the party that's also not condemning it.
True, but the other hand, there are things we are condemning that have more impact on the world, such as fascism, overthrowing democracy, ignoring climate change, poor ethics in the Supreme Court, Russian aggression into Ukraine, etc. No party is perfect but you have to look broadly.
For me, I start by looking not at the world, but in my own neighborhood, where migrants who came with nothing(?) are given mopeds and guns, are shooting cops with impunity, and I have to worry about getting punched in the face by unhinged strangers every time I walk down the street.
Add in dealing with the subject of this thread, and there's an awful lot thats completely spiraled out of control.
That's so strong and brave of you to say it here, but why don't you say it where it matters?
You people don't see that voting for these parties and these policies is supporting this?
You are making an incorrect assumption.
I am a Sports Management professor, and when appropriate to the curriculum I openly share with students my position that we created girls' and women's sports to create opportunity for fair competition based on genetic differences (sex), not on gender identity. I also share the position, which I believe is a fact, that there is no way the crafters of Title IX (or RIchard Nixon who signed it) ever wrote that law to allow XY humans to compete with girls.
In the world of higher education, that is not a completely safe position to take, as you can imagine.
One could argue that I am putting my job on the line by taking the position that I do.
I'll ask you, have YOU put your job on the line for this cause?
I seriously doubt it.
My guess is that what I am doing is far braver than anything you do, hiding behind a screen and keyboard.
Wow. So brave. Someone should give you a medal. People will remember your courage for years and your diplomatic position of noticing differences between men and women.
Maybe you should question your professions credibility if you work under an environment with so much social pressure towards something so ridiculous.
People who act like this kind of social pressure would not be enough to convince mentally unwell people to adopt an lgbt identity are liars. The persecution complex is a will to power of the wretched. Its ugly, its disingenuous and it should be regarded with disgust.
I am a Sports Management professor, and when appropriate to the curriculum I openly share with students my position that we created girls' and women's sports to create opportunity for fair competition based on genetic differences (sex), not on gender identity. I also share the position, which I believe is a fact, that there is no way the crafters of Title IX (or RIchard Nixon who signed it) ever wrote that law to allow XY humans to compete with girls.
In the world of higher education, that is not a completely safe position to take, as you can imagine.
One could argue that I am putting my job on the line by taking the position that I do.
I'll ask you, have YOU put your job on the line for this cause?
I seriously doubt it.
My guess is that what I am doing is far braver than anything you do, hiding behind a screen and keyboard.
You really do seem like a nice reasonable person. But it seems crazy to me you don't believe this is a problem created by liberalism. You openly admit you're lucky you haven't been fired for your perfectly rational views. Who would be firing you, harassing you, destroying your life for such a rational view in liberal academia? It certainly wouldn't be the 6% of Republicans you reference earlier. Face it, liberals seek to destroy the lives of those who hold opposing views on this. This shouldn't be an unsafe position that you're putting your job on the line for. But it is liberals who have made that the case, not Republicans
What is going on with leadership/schools/parents in CT that nobody's trying to clean up the mess that they created thats spiraled so out of control?
There has been plenty of pushback in CT. But all the powers that be in Connecticut that have sway in this matter - CIAC, the state department of education, the governor's office and administration, the state human rights commission, the school boards, principals and coaches at schools where boys have been allowed to compete on girls' teams - have dug their heels in whilst the Title IX lawsuit brought by female athletes back in 2020 slowly makes it way through the courts.
Moreover, most Democratic state legislators and the entire delegation of CT pols in the US House of Representatives and US Senate (all Democrats) have turned a deaf ear to those of us seeking to return fairness to the rules governing girls' school sports in CT, and to insuring that girls going to school in the state can count on having privacy and safety away from boys in locker rooms, toilets and overnight accommodations on school trips.
The Biden White House, the rest of the Biden administration - especially the US Department of Education, US Department of Justice and HHS under Biden - are similarly against us.
This past legislative session, Democrats in the state legislature proposed an amendment to the state constitution to include strong protections for "gender identity rights" and "reproductive rights." The amendment did this in a cynical way that made securing state consititutional protection of women's and girls' access to reproductive health care, including contraception and abortion, in CT contingent upon creating constitutional protections for both sexes and all ages to have unfettered access to "gender affirming" body modifications - and for males in particular to be able to use gender identity claims to compete in female sports and use spaces/facilities meant for females.
More than 220 people from all across the political spectrum showed up to testify when the CT legislature held a public hearing on the amendment in March. Out of that huge number, only five people testified in support of the amendment - all of them high-placed, well-paid executives of the following political lobbying organizations:
Equality Connecticut; American Civil Liberties Union of Connecticut (ACLU-CT); Reproductive Equity Now; Planned Parenthood of Southern New England; GLAD: GLBTQ Legal Advocates & Defenders (this is the new name of the org that used to be GLAAD: The Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation)
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That's so strong and brave of you to say it here, but why don't you say it where it matters?
You people don't see that voting for these parties and these policies is supporting this?
You are making an incorrect assumption.
I am a Sports Management professor, and when appropriate to the curriculum I openly share with students my position that we created girls' and women's sports to create opportunity for fair competition based on genetic differences (sex), not on gender identity. I also share the position, which I believe is a fact, that there is no way the crafters of Title IX (or RIchard Nixon who signed it) ever wrote that law to allow XY humans to compete with girls.
In the world of higher education, that is not a completely safe position to take, as you can imagine.
One could argue that I am putting my job on the line by taking the position that I do.
I'll ask you, have YOU put your job on the line for this cause?
I seriously doubt it.
My guess is that what I am doing is far braver than anything you do, hiding behind a screen and keyboard.
This issue cannot be resolved because there are way too many people who want to make it an all-out assault on trans people. Elected Democrats have never opposed any policy by sports governing bodies. But they consider the bills in the Congress and the state legislatures are part of the larger scheme to push all trans people back into the closet.
And most LGBTQ groups would probably concede this issue if they think it will stop at sports. (Most of those groups are run by cis gay men who have little interest in sports.) But they think it is important to resist this because they think the next target will be gender affirming care and bathroom once the sports ban is in place.
And most LGBTQ groups would probably concede this issue if they think it will stop at sports. (Most of those groups are run by cis gay men who have little interest in sports.) But they think it is important to resist this because they think the next target will be gender affirming care and bathroom once the sports ban is in place.
When someone writes that "everyone" who supports this is a liberal, when in fact 6% of Republicans support it, they are wrong.
And they should be told they are wrong.
And the poll results are a Google search away, if you care to fact check me.
And again, I am a Democrat that opposes the participation of XY humans in girls' and women's sports. The majority of Democrats agree with me.
Fine...using "everyone" may have been a very small overstatement. But If 99.9999% of the people who believe in this cause are liberals, and also the individuals driving these abhorrent policies, then I think it's a safe and appropriate overstatement to make. I appreciate you being so literal though. it's extremely helpful to the conversation and addressing the root cause of this issue!
Help me understand where you got this 99.9999% figure, please? Because by my interpretation from the referenced Gallup poll, for every 8 democrats that support trans women participating in women's sport, there is 1 republican that does too. Which feels like a far cry from the .0001% of republican representation you're suggesting.
UNLESS, you're just spouting fake numbers to rile people up and then throwing a hissy fit / calling people names when they disagree with you. And if that's the case, you look really silly admitting to a "very small overstatement" with an equally exaggerated overstatement.
…at one point, if you don’t agree with most things that a party supports then you should not identify with that party anymore.
If your beliefs align more with the other party, then you should move party.
niece opened last year)…
yep. I don’t believe in vote suppression, murdering black people, scamming the government, committing election fraud, meddling in what people do in their private lives, and running mega deficits. Therefore I don’t vote republican anymore. Worrying about some trans kids in HS is noise compared to stuff that matters…
And most LGBTQ groups would probably concede this issue if they think it will stop at sports. (Most of those groups are run by cis gay men who have little interest in sports.) But they think it is important to resist this because they think the next target will be gender affirming care and bathroom once the sports ban is in place.
Reference?
"Fair Play" by Katie Barnes.
The cis gay men who lead those LGBTQ organizations scoffed at people like Barnes by saying "You care about sports because you are lesbians. We hated gym classes." (Cis lesbians are far more supportive of trans people in sports than cis gay men. Who would have thought that?)
They agreed to campaign on the sports issue only after they realized the sports ban would lead to other anti-trans legislations. Their current strategy is to keep the rightwing occupied with the sports ban so that they cannot focus on the assault on gender affirming care.
And most LGBTQ groups would probably concede this issue if they think it will stop at sports. (Most of those groups are run by cis gay men who have little interest in sports.) But they think it is important to resist this because they think the next target will be gender affirming care and bathroom once the sports ban is in place.
Reference?
I'd always thought letting trans athletes compete and awarding separate medals based on where they would have finished was a reasonable solution in most cases particularly Track and Field. It would have had zero impact on field events in competition and the only mild inconvenience would be in track events where a trans athlete might cross the line first and 'break the tape.'
It seems reasonable and would require little effort. In most meets, the finals leave a lane open anyway and expanding a field size by 1 or 2 would be minor inconveniences, but I get people pretty much calling that the equivalent of raping the xx females and destroying their lives. I've yet to here a Repub on the issue where they actually cared about women's rights and it wasn't really about trans hate so I have a hard time taking yall seriously.
True, but the other hand, there are things we are condemning that have more impact on the world, such as fascism, overthrowing democracy, ignoring climate change, poor ethics in the Supreme Court, Russian aggression into Ukraine, etc. No party is perfect but you have to look broadly.
For me, I start by looking not at the world, but in my own neighborhood, where migrants who came with nothing(?) are given mopeds and guns, are shooting cops with impunity, and I have to worry about getting punched in the face by unhinged strangers every time I walk down the street.
Add in dealing with the subject of this thread, and there's an awful lot thats completely spiraled out of control.
How big an a$$hole are you where worrying about getting punched in the street is a normal concern? You are a special kind of snowflake because literally all the worst things that happen in a month in the US are all going on simultaneously on your little walk?
The cis gay men who lead those LGBTQ organizations scoffed at people like Barnes by saying "You care about sports because you are lesbians. We hated gym classes." (Cis lesbians are far more supportive of trans people in sports than cis gay men. Who would have thought that?)
They agreed to campaign on the sports issue only after they realized the sports ban would lead to other anti-trans legislations. Their current strategy is to keep the rightwing occupied with the sports ban so that they cannot focus on the assault on gender affirming care.
Sadly it is though, as that is the party that's also not condemning it.
A "party" is the people in it.
More Democrats oppose the participation of XY humans in sports intended for XX humans, and that number is growing every day.
You replied to a liberal saying they oppose it, and I am a Democrat replying to you to say that I also oppose it.
Except the Democratic leadership doesn't oppose it, namely Biden signing into law federal protections for males to compete in female sports through Title XI. Speak with your vote.
I'd always thought letting trans athletes compete and awarding separate medals based on where they would have finished was a reasonable solution in most cases particularly Track and Field. It would have had zero impact on field events in competition and the only mild inconvenience would be in track events where a trans athlete might cross the line first and 'break the tape.'
It seems reasonable and would require little effort. In most meets, the finals leave a lane open anyway and expanding a field size by 1 or 2 would be minor inconveniences, but I get people pretty much calling that the equivalent of raping the xx females and destroying their lives. I've yet to here a Repub on the issue where they actually cared about women's rights and it wasn't really about trans hate so I have a hard time taking yall seriously.
Or, just don't let males compete with females. It's not that complicated.
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