Woody, like Klecker, also has not raced since the TEN. Do we have good evidence Woody is healthy? Hope we don't have another situation like the marathon where we can't even send three guys with the standard.
Sorry if this has been covered before, but the deal is that the top 3 trials finishers with the standard or ranking get to go, correct? So hypothetically if we had only 3 guys with the standard then they could just walk the 10K race, come in last, and they would still be selected since no one above them has the standard or ranking, correct? I suppose the risk with that would be that one of the upper finishers has a month or two to try and go out and get the standard, but are there even any 10K races left between now and the olympics? Seems pretty unlikely. So if I’m either Fisher, Nico, or Woody, all I really need to do is make sure I beat Chelimo at the trials. Everyone else is not even an options. Correct me if I’m wrong here.
The 10000m final for men is on June 21. Rankings close June 30. So theoretically a non ranked top 3 finisher could organize a race and try to get another sub 27:15 time (or just get the standard) to get ranked and utilize their spot.
In reality, the only team combos are Fisher, Nico, Woody, Chelimo. Or if someone manages to run the standard between now and June 30.
The group has done so well but really now is benefitting with Olympics being postponed to 2021. They likely would have had 0 Olympians in 2020.
Instead Monson and Klecker both have already made the Olympics and can take summer off. Otherwise they would be still trying to give it a shot for the Trials.
Now of course the question is is Ritz pushing them too hard like he did in his own career. Injuries plagued him.
Also seems like Carmela never got better once she was injured under Ritz. He seems great at coaching mid-D folks while potential overtraining the long distance runners--though I'm glad Morgan is back in action!
The group has done so well but really now is benefitting with Olympics being postponed to 2021. They likely would have had 0 Olympians in 2020.
Instead Monson and Klecker both have already made the Olympics and can take summer off. Otherwise they would be still trying to give it a shot for the Trials.
Now of course the question is is Ritz pushing them too hard like he did in his own career. Injuries plagued him.
Also seems like Carmela never got better once she was injured under Ritz. He seems great at coaching mid-D folks while potential overtraining the long distance runners--though I'm glad Morgan is back in action!
Nuguse has talked about it, but Ritz pretty much lets the middle distance guys construct their own schedule and lets them lean into double threshold if that's what they want to do. Since everybody at 1,500 to 5,000 has been hitting double threshold and having success, he's not getting in their way. The evidence is overwhelming. Still no sign that double threshold works for 10,000 though, and Ritz was trying to put Klecker and Monson through a lot of his old training, which works..........if you can stay healthy.
He's way too big of a dude for the marathon. The fact that he is even as good at the 10K as he is give his size is remarkable. Him and Ollie Hoare are nearly identical builds, and Hoare is a 1,500 guy! Last time I checked, there isn't anybody even threatening top 10s in major marathons at 160 lbs, let alone contending in them.
Anyone that believes that Monson or Klecker would be successful in the marathon knows very little about training. They can’t stay healthy on 10k mileage they have ZERO chance handling 25 more miles a week.
You do realize that Klecker can not handle long runs with Obiri?
Anyone that believes that Monson or Klecker would be successful in the marathon knows very little about training. They can’t stay healthy on 10k mileage they have ZERO chance handling 25 more miles a week.
You do realize that Klecker can not handle long runs with Obiri?
This board doesn’t get it.
It's always funny to see people on this board espousing the concept that it's mileage alone that leads to injury. This site was never great and man it's gone downhill.
Anyone that believes that Monson or Klecker would be successful in the marathon knows very little about training. They can’t stay healthy on 10k mileage they have ZERO chance handling 25 more miles a week.
You do realize that Klecker can not handle long runs with Obiri?
This board doesn’t get it.
it's not the mileage that's primarily hurting him, it's the intensity of the workouts. To be competitive these days in the 5k/10k, you have to do a lot of training at well below sub 4 pace. that + 100 mpw is going to hurt most people
Isn’t that code around here for having been busted? Or is that not applicable for the whites?
Ya, that could very well be another secret provisional suspension like for our fave burrito girl - especially when considering his coach. Could also be the truth, obviously.
I will never slander Joe because he posts all his training on strava.
With that being said I fear he is officially stuck in "the injury cycle".
He is a ton of miles, tons of fast miles, tons of big workouts guy. When it all clicks it is a joy to watch.
But man when it doesn't.... he has mised at least few months every year the last couple years it feels like.
It doesn't help his coach spent his entire career in the same cycle
His training load and workouts as a factor in his injuries gets repeated so often it appears to simply become the narrative. Since he posts on Strava, can someone quantify this for me? Either with specific volume that's abnormal for someone at this stage of their career, or workouts that clearly overstep what most would considered reasonable efforts? I'm not asking as any kind of refutation that this isn't the situation. But I'd be curious to get details on this since it's become commonplace to mention it every time Joe's training is referenced.
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