The private school I attended did not have athletic fields (we rented city parks for practices and games). We did not have a track. Our weight room was a joke in a modular trailer. We did have an old basketball court and a parking lot. The only private school I can think of that costs $80k is IMG academy in Florida.
1. Most East coast private colleges cost more than $80k per year.
2. The "top" private schools in New England are at @ $70k for tuition and room and board alone.
3 The most expensive private schools in NYC are over $90k for tuition alone.
I am not convinced you thread title is an accurate way of presenting the numbers because some families pay more and some pay less.
My neighbor makes something like $485,000 a year, so his family pays a lot in taxes. Sometimes when we are having a beer, we talk about it, but we don't "complain." I make a lot less, but he isn't "jealous" of me (and my lower taxes). He's doing just fine.
Where are the rich people who get turned poor by their tax burden? I haven't met these people. I hang out with educated, wealthy people who are rich, pay a lot of taxes, and are still rich.
They fund our civilization. Without taxes, we'd be "fending for ourselves" like in Afghanistan or South Sudan. Is that what you want?
Good post. If you are a high earner and pay a ton in property taxes, you have a nice house and can max out your 401ks and HSAs with ease. That's a great spot to be in.
I am not convinced you thread title is an accurate way of presenting the numbers because some families pay more and some pay less.
My neighbor makes something like $485,000 a year, so his family pays a lot in taxes. Sometimes when we are having a beer, we talk about it, but we don't "complain." I make a lot less, but he isn't "jealous" of me (and my lower taxes). He's doing just fine.
Where are the rich people who get turned poor by their tax burden? I haven't met these people. I hang out with educated, wealthy people who are rich, pay a lot of taxes, and are still rich.
They fund our civilization. Without taxes, we'd be "fending for ourselves" like in Afghanistan or South Sudan. Is that what you want?
Wtf are you talking about? It has nothing to do with the rich people becoming poor. It has to do with milking the middle class at every possible opportunity.
I don't think sending your kid to school, or preschool, is letting strangers raise them. I also don't think one could effectively argue that society has regressed quite a bit at any point in modern times. There's plenty to complain about, but the notion that society has regressed is a boogeyman used to promote grievance politics.
I was referring to actual daycare.
In 1960 single motherhood had a stigma and there were very few single mothers and very few broken homes.
Today the stigma has been removed and single motherhood and broken homes are rampant.
That's a quantifiable regression.
Test scores have gone down.
That's a quantifiable regression.
Life expectancy has gone down.
That's a quantifiable regression.
There's dozens of areas where things are quantifiably worse today than they were in the recent past.
There are more "broken homes" but spousal and child abuse have decrease dramatically. US life expectancy declined slightly for the first time in the last century in conjunction with covid. Test scores aren't a measure of societal regression, they're a measure of our education system's regression. See my original point about the move away from tracking and the push toward inclusivity for my interpretation of that. Overall, society has not regressed. I imagine most, if not all, of your "dozens of metrics" will all be cherry picked facts that ignore larger truths.
Sooooo.... you want to be surrounded by idiots? $5k to live in a society of people who can read, do basic math, function, etc. is a total bargain. While I agree government is not super efficient, I'm really not sure what your alternative idea is. Private everything is super expensive (exhibit A, healthcare).
The Department of Education didn't even exist until 1980.
Do you believe everyone was an idiot prior to 1980?
The DoE's budget is $90 billion this year and the only purpose it seems to have is making education worse.
That's $7.2 million for every school district in America that's been flushed down the toilet just to employ bureaucrats who serve no useful purpose and provide zero value to education or the students.
But there was a Department of Health, Education, and Welfare...
Average private school tuition is $12,139 per student. Average public school expenditure per student is $16,080. Do some research before posting.
The private school I attended did not have athletic fields (we rented city parks for practices and games). We did not have a track. Our weight room was a joke in a modular trailer. We did have an old basketball court and a parking lot. The only private school I can think of that costs $80k is IMG academy in Florida.
Here is a slideshow with the most expensive in each state.
I don't think sending your kid to school, or preschool, is letting strangers raise them. I also don't think one could effectively argue that society has regressed quite a bit at any point in modern times. There's plenty to complain about, but the notion that society has regressed is a boogeyman used to promote grievance politics.
I agree. My teachers and my kids' teachers weren't strangers. They were hugely important figures in our lives. We loved our teachers and our schools. And honestly, if we hadn't all gone to school, our connection to our community and culture would have been so much weaker, not to mention the fact that school is where we learned to be friends and teammates and so on. Schools are the last shared cultural common denominator for a lot of our society.
It's a funny thing: ask people about the state of education (K-12) and they will tell you it is terrible. Then they will tell you how they think the school their kids go to is fine or great.
This thread is utterly embarrassing. It consists of the same old right-wing ideologues (hey, look, it's Mr. anti-Baltimore, and newname, and Kobbs Hessler and Winston Smith!), spinning fables out of a small set of cherry-picked information in an attempt to cast shade on liberal education. Everything and everyone is grist for their mill. None of you have any real idea what you are talking about but that won't stop you from posting the sheer idiocy displayed here. Wejo and rojo have to be so proud of what a dump their site has become. One of these days this'll all go public and boy, won't that be fun to see. I get the sense some of you failed out of higher education given your hatred of it, or perhaps you could not get in- or into your first choice- at all. This is laughable. And pretty hideous but very much the way the country is now- hate the other side, try to destroy the other side, don't let facts get in the way.
This thread is utterly embarrassing. It consists of the same old right-wing ideologues (hey, look, it's Mr. anti-Baltimore, and newname, and Kobbs Hessler and Winston Smith!), spinning fables out of a small set of cherry-picked information in an attempt to cast shade on liberal education. Everything and everyone is grist for their mill. None of you have any real idea what you are talking about but that won't stop you from posting the sheer idiocy displayed here. Wejo and rojo have to be so proud of what a dump their site has become. One of these days this'll all go public and boy, won't that be fun to see. I get the sense some of you failed out of higher education given your hatred of it, or perhaps you could not get in- or into your first choice- at all. This is laughable. And pretty hideous but very much the way the country is now- hate the other side, try to destroy the other side, don't let facts get in the way.
There's a reason you opted to just insult people rather than counter any of the arguments.
I am not convinced you thread title is an accurate way of presenting the numbers because some families pay more and some pay less.
My neighbor makes something like $485,000 a year, so his family pays a lot in taxes. Sometimes when we are having a beer, we talk about it, but we don't "complain." I make a lot less, but he isn't "jealous" of me (and my lower taxes). He's doing just fine.
Where are the rich people who get turned poor by their tax burden? I haven't met these people. I hang out with educated, wealthy people who are rich, pay a lot of taxes, and are still rich.
They fund our civilization. Without taxes, we'd be "fending for ourselves" like in Afghanistan or South Sudan. Is that what you want?
Wtf are you talking about? It has nothing to do with the rich people becoming poor. It has to do with milking the middle class at every possible opportunity.
I'm sure that problem will be fixed by privatizing everything
This thread is utterly embarrassing. It consists of the same old right-wing ideologues (hey, look, it's Mr. anti-Baltimore, and newname, and Kobbs Hessler and Winston Smith!), spinning fables out of a small set of cherry-picked information in an attempt to cast shade on liberal education. Everything and everyone is grist for their mill. None of you have any real idea what you are talking about but that won't stop you from posting the sheer idiocy displayed here. Wejo and rojo have to be so proud of what a dump their site has become. One of these days this'll all go public and boy, won't that be fun to see. I get the sense some of you failed out of higher education given your hatred of it, or perhaps you could not get in- or into your first choice- at all. This is laughable. And pretty hideous but very much the way the country is now- hate the other side, try to destroy the other side, don't let facts get in the way.
Old right-wing idealogues is a misnomer, WinstonSmith s/n has only existed for 2 weeks.
This thread is utterly embarrassing. It consists of the same old right-wing ideologues (hey, look, it's Mr. anti-Baltimore, and newname, and Kobbs Hessler and Winston Smith!), spinning fables out of a small set of cherry-picked information in an attempt to cast shade on liberal education. Everything and everyone is grist for their mill. None of you have any real idea what you are talking about but that won't stop you from posting the sheer idiocy displayed here. Wejo and rojo have to be so proud of what a dump their site has become. One of these days this'll all go public and boy, won't that be fun to see. I get the sense some of you failed out of higher education given your hatred of it, or perhaps you could not get in- or into your first choice- at all. This is laughable. And pretty hideous but very much the way the country is now- hate the other side, try to destroy the other side, don't let facts get in the way.
In 1960 single motherhood had a stigma and there were very few single mothers and very few broken homes.
Today the stigma has been removed and single motherhood and broken homes are rampant.
That's a quantifiable regression.
Test scores have gone down.
That's a quantifiable regression.
Life expectancy has gone down.
That's a quantifiable regression.
There's dozens of areas where things are quantifiably worse today than they were in the recent past.
There are more "broken homes" but spousal and child abuse have decrease dramatically. US life expectancy declined slightly for the first time in the last century in conjunction with covid. Test scores aren't a measure of societal regression, they're a measure of our education system's regression. See my original point about the move away from tracking and the push toward inclusivity for my interpretation of that. Overall, society has not regressed. I imagine most, if not all, of your "dozens of metrics" will all be cherry picked facts that ignore larger truths.
Where are you getting the data that child and spousal abuse is declining?
"Even before the pandemic, the U.S. was mired in an alarming period of rising mortality. It had no modern precedent: During the second half of the 2010s, life expectancy fell on a sustained basis for the first time since the fighting of World War II killed several hundred thousand Americans."
You're ignoring all of the data. You started with an opinion and nothing will change your mind.
Usually data is better than one quote. Here’s a graph of us life expectancy. Notice it goes up every year before Covid and then dipped for 2 years. By the way it began trending back up in 2023.
I’ll follow up with domestic abuse data shortly, I promise you it is convincing. You’re right my opinion is that society is not worse than it was 50 years ago. It’s a subjective take because, you know, all value systems are. But I’m pretty open to data that opens my eyes to points of view I haven’t considered. Please go ahead.
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