We can improve in the 800m and do trial times on it but if you are a bad student in that school you remain all your life a bad student. And its not certainly running handred of miles by weeks that will improve you on it.
Look at the case of the last American that run 1:42 (I forgot his name) or Moad Zahafi that ended suffering from injuries.
I don't think so. 1:45.94 in April! He easily should be capable to better his PB (1:45.35) significantly (close to 1:44.0 ?) in summer. In combination with his 3k/2M it's unique.
Well Hicham could run two laps of the track as fast as he could in well under 1.44 (didn't want to say "race" before someone dredged up his 1.47 "PR") and also ran 7.23.09. So that's kind of the bookends we are looking at for a 3.26 performer.
Josh Kerr strikes me more of a 3.28.5-7 guy (and honestly may never run faster than his current PR) but one that at least for now is a legitimate threat to win any global title over the distance which isn't too shabby when you really put it into context.
You arbitrarily cut 1 second from Kerr’s 3k and 2 seconds from his 800, then assumed he would be capable of both of these hypothetical performances at the same time in order to argue that he will be in shape to run 3:27.0 lol
I haven't cut a second from his 3k and I haven't cut 2 seconds from his 800.
Gebrselassie
7:25.09 + 8:01.08
He has really maxed out his 3k time with various 7:25 - 7:26 performances, in the 2 Miles he also probably was close with 3 8:01 performances.
The 1.08 conversion gives 7:25.06. For me 8:00.67 is worth probably 7:25.0.
Kerr's 800m PB is 1:45.35, from 2019. Do you think a 1:45.94 in April is his maximum for this season?
What Geb ran is irrelevant; we’re talking about Kerr. But sure, let’s use your conversion. Give Kerr 7:25 instead of 7:26. You are still crediting him with an 800 time he has never come close to running. Of course I expect him to be capable of faster than 1:45.9 at the height of the season, but 1:44.0? There is zero basis for it. Even if he actually gets there, what’s to say he will also be in peak 3k shape at that time? All this talk of him being in “unique“ form is not based on anything he’s actually done. It’s pure fantasy.
I genuinely cannot believe you and others in this thread think a 26-year-old who has never broken 3:29 has a chance at 3:26.00 this year. Maybe I’m crazy.
As far as I know Narve he is not a guy who is lying. But sure everyone could be wrong about themselves. You say that you can't convince me, og what, I can't convince you either. What does that tell? Nothing. And even his slow start speed is "self-invented". How do you know? But between you and me and a lamp post. He is working on improving. And last time Jakob ran 800 was in june - 22: 1:47.22.
He says and thinks weird things — George Beamish did not beat me, it was the organizers who allowed such a big field. Or it was the man going the least lactic, that's all it was. Least lactic man always wins! Or something? I didn't lose that road 5K, I just didn't know the guy who won the race was in front of me and I could've run 15 seconds faster. Ok? I am the slowest guy in any 1500/500 field and lack so much talent I have to move up to the Half Marathon. Oh but I was really bad at the half marathon, and can run the 1500 much faster than almost all of the best 10K/Half Marathon guys in the world. But trust me, my speed is terrible.
The slow start speed is something that can be worked on, and maybe he will. But some of the time he intentionally goes out slow like that aforementioned road 5K.
I haven't cut a second from his 3k and I haven't cut 2 seconds from his 800.
Gebrselassie
7:25.09 + 8:01.08
He has really maxed out his 3k time with various 7:25 - 7:26 performances, in the 2 Miles he also probably was close with 3 8:01 performances.
The 1.08 conversion gives 7:25.06. For me 8:00.67 is worth probably 7:25.0.
Kerr's 800m PB is 1:45.35, from 2019. Do you think a 1:45.94 in April is his maximum for this season?
What Geb ran is irrelevant; we’re talking about Kerr. But sure, let’s use your conversion. Give Kerr 7:25 instead of 7:26. You are still crediting him with an 800 time he has never come close to running. Of course I expect him to be capable of faster than 1:45.9 at the height of the season, but 1:44.0? There is zero basis for it. Even if he actually gets there, what’s to say he will also be in peak 3k shape at that time? All this talk of him being in “unique“ form is not based on anything he’s actually done. It’s pure fantasy.
I genuinely cannot believe you and others in this thread think a 26-year-old who has never broken 3:29 has a chance at 3:26.00 this year. Maybe I’m crazy.
I gave Gebrselassie as an explanation why I think 8:00.67 is worth around 7:25.0.
Is it Kerr's ultimate current potential? From 1 time trial?
1:45.94 + 8:00.67 in April/Februar is not nothing, it's an almost unique combination. I expect around 3:27.0 from him, not 3:26.0
What Geb ran is irrelevant; we’re talking about Kerr. But sure, let’s use your conversion. Give Kerr 7:25 instead of 7:26. You are still crediting him with an 800 time he has never come close to running. Of course I expect him to be capable of faster than 1:45.9 at the height of the season, but 1:44.0? There is zero basis for it. Even if he actually gets there, what’s to say he will also be in peak 3k shape at that time? All this talk of him being in “unique“ form is not based on anything he’s actually done. It’s pure fantasy.
I genuinely cannot believe you and others in this thread think a 26-year-old who has never broken 3:29 has a chance at 3:26.00 this year. Maybe I’m crazy.
I agree. I actually believe that Josh Kerr and Jakob have very similar capabilities over 800m which are in the high 1.44's. The main difference between them in terms of ceiling for the 1500m/mile is that Jakob is 7.20 3000m performer (I'm basing this off the 2 mile from last season) and Kerr is a 7.25 performer based off his 2 mile from this season.
I do think that difference in strength has a big impact on their 1500m ceilings - somewhere in the 1.5-2.0 second range. I believe the high 3.26's is Jakob's ceiling and as I wrote earlier I have the feeling that a shot at the British record (3.28.81) is the ceiling for Kerr. And again, the context of that - it could make him the British record holder ahead of names such as Ovett, Coe, Cram, Elliot and Farah so I hardly see how saying that could be seen as disrespectful.
But you aren't crazy - it's hard to imagine even Jakob running 3.26.00 and this is a guy that has already run 3.27.14 and 5 races faster than Kerrs current PR - and he's 3 years his junior.
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not to be an assh#le but moot successful moroccans are dopers.
You're dying and seek some water to save the face. You got your glory in the time when most people where sleeping ... just look at what is happening in all sports. Who are the current names that make in the semi-final of European championships?
You were living too much isolated as an European Island ... take the example of Spain, France and Italy that submitted to the "fact". And keep your "highness" in your suite-case.
not to be an assh#le but moot successful moroccans are dopers.
You're dying and seek some water to save the face. You got your glory in the time when most people where sleeping ... just look at what is happening in all sports. Who are the current names that make in the semi-final of European championships?
You were living too much isolated as an European Island ... take the example of Spain, France and Italy that submitted to the "fact". And keep your "highness" in your suite-case.
I don't think so. 1:45.94 in April! He easily should be capable to better his PB (1:45.35) significantly (close to 1:44.0 ?) in summer. In combination with his 3k/2M it's unique.
Well Hicham could run two laps of the track as fast as he could in well under 1.44 (didn't want to say "race" before someone dredged up his 1.47 "PR") and also ran 7.23.09. So that's kind of the bookends we are looking at for a 3.26 performer.
Josh Kerr strikes me more of a 3.28.5-7 guy (and honestly may never run faster than his current PR) but one that at least for now is a legitimate threat to win any global title over the distance which isn't too shabby when you really put it into context.
"Well under 1:44" is probably a bit of a stretch. Unfortunately he basically never raced it, but it's pretty hard to believe that he was more than 2 seconds faster over 800 than Lagat, who did race the 800 fairly regularly, and had slower times over 3k and 5k (although he was a similar profile overall). Kiprop is the only man under 3:28 to also go under 1:44, and his 3k PR was only 7:42.
Morceli is the only all-time great 1500 athlete with competitive results at both 800 and 3000, every other top athlete only had one or the other, and even he only ran 1:44-high. I would say 1:44-high seems like a fair ceiling for El G.
As far as Kerr goes, 1:44.0 is definitely stretching it, but I'd guess he could probably also go 1:44-high. Given he's run a 7:25-7:26 3k equivalent, if he does get to 1:44-high, then 3:26-3:27 seems reasonable. The bigger question is whether he will get in the right race; personally, as a fan, I would love to see a barn burner at Monaco with Ingebrigtsen, Kerr, and Nuguse, paced out in 1:50. How likely is it? Not very. But it would be cool.
8:00.67 on 11th February and 1:45.94 on 21st April, for me that's some strong indication that he will run a SUPER fast 1500m in summer - at least something around 3:27 I would guess.
He was in 3:28 shape last year at least. 3:27 feels a possibility, but will he race just Pre and London (no Jakob/typically slower)? If so, he might not get in the sort of race to hit that time. Monaco should be the other fast one potentially, but I doubt he’s in it.
WHEN was Kerr in 3:28 shape last year? In DL Lausanne? in Budapest? or in DL Zürich.
He seems to have had the chances but he didn´t come close. And certainly not in Zürich where he had to do the front running himself.
Kerr was kinda mischaracterized as an 800/1500 guy, but for a guy running 8:00 for 2 miles sub-1:46 is fine. But also not scary.
Are there any 1:42-43 800m and 3:28-3:30 1500m guys in the world besides Jake Wightman right now ?
Genuinely curious. Makhloufi-esque?
Seems like the majority of fast 1500m guys these days are 1500-5000m dudes, but I am probably forgetting a few.
Thanks.
Think it's just a symptom of a post-Rio world. 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023 global finals all went sub-3:30, with no end in sight. It's much easier to handle the rounds and come to back to run 3:28-3:29 as a 1500/5000 runner. Until we see global finals over 3:35 again, 800/1500 runners will struggle.
The fast times in the 1500 will come after with laussane zurich, and brussels. Depending on how Jakob or anyone else does, we may see a WR attempt in any of these meetings.
Laussane, Zurich, Brussels should all be 3:37/3:28. Monaco with it's notoriously slow track, will probably result in a tactical affair, left to the kickers. I see Kerr pipping Jakob in that one, maybe 3:44 - 3:46.
Monaco slow track?!
3:44-3:46 Do you think they are running the mile? (they don´t).
but, the point is, jakob is not super speedy. he obviously lacks a gear in overdrive mode. thats proven. doubt it if he can do 1.45.
he is more like endurance speedy. so if kerr n weightman) can store that 800m speed its just a matter for him to hang on and then put in overdirve with 150 m to go. i def think jake n josh will collaborate to take down jakob. prolly one will throw down the hammer with 250-300 m left and one will hang on behind - ready to punch down another gear with 100-150 m or so to go...questions?
What nonsense! Jakob not speedy?
Rewatch the DL races last year! Jakob was running away from all his competitors in the last 100m despite being the "pacemaker" after the real ones dropped out. Watch especially DL Oslo and DL Lausanne where he easily handled Kerr.
The only one who was close all season was Nuguse in the 2023 Bowerman mile.
What an imagination about what Jake and Josh can do in Paris? Let us first see if Jake makes the UK 1500m team and if so, if he makes the final in Paris.
Also: There are other runners than the 2 Scots and the Norwegian there might have a say in the Paris 1500m final.
What Geb ran is irrelevant; we’re talking about Kerr. But sure, let’s use your conversion. Give Kerr 7:25 instead of 7:26. You are still crediting him with an 800 time he has never come close to running. Of course I expect him to be capable of faster than 1:45.9 at the height of the season, but 1:44.0? There is zero basis for it. Even if he actually gets there, what’s to say he will also be in peak 3k shape at that time? All this talk of him being in “unique“ form is not based on anything he’s actually done. It’s pure fantasy.
I genuinely cannot believe you and others in this thread think a 26-year-old who has never broken 3:29 has a chance at 3:26.00 this year. Maybe I’m crazy.
I gave Gebrselassie as an explanation why I think 8:00.67 is worth around 7:25.0.
Is it Kerr's ultimate current potential? From 1 time trial?
1:45.94 + 8:00.67 in April/Februar is not nothing, it's an almost unique combination. I expect around 3:27.0 from him, not 3:26.0
1:44.2 not 1:44.0
What about Jakob´s 1:46.44 - 7:54.10 combination?
Don´t you think that beat Kerr´s?
And Jakob´s 800m PB was run at age 19 when his 1500m PB was 3:30.
He says and thinks weird things — George Beamish did not beat me, it was the organizers who allowed such a big field. Or it was the man going the least lactic, that's all it was. Least lactic man always wins! Or something? I didn't lose that road 5K, I just didn't know the guy who won the race was in front of me and I could've run 15 seconds faster. Ok? I am the slowest guy in any 1500/500 field and lack so much talent I have to move up to the Half Marathon. Oh but I was really bad at the half marathon, and can run the 1500 much faster than almost all of the best 10K/Half Marathon guys in the world. But trust me, my speed is terrible.
The slow start speed is something that can be worked on, and maybe he will. But some of the time he intentionally goes out slow like that aforementioned road 5K.
Good one! -I’m still laughing, and you weren’t unfair even once! But if you think Narve says and thinks weird things you should meet his coach..!
Joke a side: Narve Nordås is a smart guy, but he has quite a lot he has to figure out, especially when it comes to 5000m racing (and obviously also 800m)… But he is really a dark horse (as he showed in Budapest), and who knows what he can do in a double in Paris..?
Since this post is about Kerr I will say this: Kerr might very well be beaten by a fast improving Nordås in every 1500m this season, and also in a 3000m / 2 mile if they choose the distance…
And since your point in the post was Narve’s weird thinking and sayings I also have to nuance this a little: He also says a lot of smart things! F.ex that Kerr and Wightman are wrong when they think they have an advantage over Jakob (and himself) because of better 800m speed. -Here he stresses that it’s always the strongest that has the fastest home straight in the fast races (1500m), and not the speed guys (Just the same as Jakob says, correctly as far as I can see)! And a lot of his thoughts around training philosophy seem really smart…
Conclusion: Nordås is just like the rest of us - a little of everything (both smart and “unhinged”). He’s just a little more visible and pointed perhaps. And may this season too even still be a better closer in the 1500m than f.ex Kerr… And even come up with superior strength…!