Calm down everyone. I just talked to Sadie’s coach and he assured me that she WILL run in the Sound running meet and she WILL run the CIF season.
Please don’t discuss this any further.
You and they can say whatever you want. But She runs Sound Running , then she can not run CIF moving forwarded. It's actually really clearly stated in the rules
I listened to Lex/Leo on a podcast last year and they made it seem that the rules were changed last year (2022-2023 school year) in order to stop Newbury Park. So Hasay would've been fine...it's a new rule.
I've watched Sadie run many times. She's a dominant force in California. On one hand, I think it makes sense that she look for new opportunities and challenges. She's by far the best miler in the state (and the country). And there are way too many (silly) races to run just to get to the starting line at CIF in May.
On the other hand, I think the Arcadia 3200 would be a much bigger opportunity than the TEN 1500. I also think she has unfinished business in XC (not sure if her ineligibility effects a different sport or not). She could focus on the 800 this year as well, where she is not as dominant. She seems like a kid who likes running with her HS team. Not sure what the future looks like.
I would bet that Sadie and her team don't know the repercussions of this decision and might end up pulling back.
It's going to be kind of fun when California has 6-7 "ineligible" boys running sub-4:05 for the mile at big "off-limits" events with another half dozen or so "ineligibles" sitting on sub-4:10 clockings from the same meets getting ready for showdowns at Nike Outdoors, New Balance Outdoors, Brooks PR, and the like.
At the end of the season, the "eligible" state 1600 meters champion wins in a big PR 4:18 and Athletic.net and Milesplit ranks him as only the 15th best high school time this season from California. The ineligible kids are being courted by top D1 programs while the state champ is deciding what D2, D3, or JUCO he will attend.
A small percentage, but the top talent will no longer wish to conform to state high school rules. We will see more kids turn pro at 15-16 and skip the whole high school experience in favor of following the international calendar and getting set-up with outstanding coaches - not just the random one hired by their school.
Still less than .01 percent. I worked in a HS in NYC. One year we had a girl with a great voice and acting ability. However instead of joining our school chorus and play she worked on Broadway. You see the same in every field. Like Englehart and others these are the very few exceptions and they won't ruin HS extracurricular activities.
I wonder why NCAA baseball exists as a varsity sport. The best ones are drafted out of high schools. So the college teams only have leftovers, right? /s
i think there's something special about winning a state meet for your high school, but I agree that California's system is too much, and I don't blame the people from that state for skipping out.
Sadie has already won several state championships running for her high school. How many does she have to win before people think she should be allowed to move on to bigger and better things?
There are some high school athletes that are so good that it is in their best interest to do things differently.
Emily Sisson skipped her senior season on track to focus on World Cross. She had won 1600/3200/4x800 triple in the previous year as well as two straight XC state titles. (She moved to MO as a junior.) I think she won the second XC title by a minute. She had no competition in state high school competition. And judging from results, moving on to bigger and better things worked for her.
I listened to Lex/Leo on a podcast last year and they made it seem that the rules were changed last year (2022-2023 school year) in order to stop Newbury Park. So Hasay would've been fine...it's a new rule.
I've watched Sadie run many times. She's a dominant force in California. On one hand, I think it makes sense that she look for new opportunities and challenges. She's by far the best miler in the state (and the country). And there are way too many (silly) races to run just to get to the starting line at CIF in May.
On the other hand, I think the Arcadia 3200 would be a much bigger opportunity than the TEN 1500. I also think she has unfinished business in XC (not sure if her ineligibility effects a different sport or not). She could focus on the 800 this year as well, where she is not as dominant. She seems like a kid who likes running with her HS team. Not sure what the future looks like.
I would bet that Sadie and her team don't know the repercussions of this decision and might end up pulling back.
People are still jumping to conclusions without knowing the rules. Someone needs to clarify, I guess we will see. I'll believe it when I see it as far as CIF eligibility.
What about when Jordan Hasay ran the Cardinal Invitational?
What about the Olympic Trials when she was in High School?
The CIF season was over by then . As long as it’s outside the CIF season. Rainer Wulf and CIFSS sent a specific email stating no open race during the CIF season
What percentage of HS athletes will get sponsored, NIL, or go this route. This won't ruin HS sports.
A small percentage, but the top talent will no longer wish to conform to state high school rules. We will see more kids turn pro at 15-16 and skip the whole high school experience in favor of following the international calendar and getting set-up with outstanding coaches - not just the random one hired by their school.
It's going to be kind of fun when California has 6-7 "ineligible" boys running sub-4:05 for the mile at big "off-limits" events with another half dozen or so "ineligibles" sitting on sub-4:10 clockings from the same meets getting ready for showdowns at Nike Outdoors, New Balance Outdoors, Brooks PR, and the like.
At the end of the season, the "eligible" state 1600 meters champion wins in a big PR 4:18 and Athletic.net and Milesplit ranks him as only the 15th best high school time this season from California. The ineligible kids are being courted by top D1 programs while the state champ is deciding what D2, D3, or JUCO he will attend.
Probably good enough though to win the national Gatorade award.
She just can’t get HS race only records. Otherwise she’ll still be able to get HS records. Like Alan Webb, Lex Young , etc
Why not? She can still run in national high school races like Brooks PR.
Second poster understands. There are various HS-only events that CIF does not organize nor sanction. HS-only records are still a possibility. 'Must be in an event approved by your State's Federation...' is NOT a rule anybody who keeps track of records (USATF, T&FN, etc) has.
In fact, If you're running anything longer than 800, CIF meets don't give an opportunity to break records because they don't offer any standard, record elegible events.
1k, 1500, mile, 2k, 3k, steeple, 2 mile, 5k. 10k. This is a list of events that don't take place at any CIF-sanctioned meet. It would actually be disadvantagous to be running the CIF season if records are of interest to you.
What about the Olympic Trials when she was in High School?
The CIF season was over by then . As long as it’s outside the CIF season. Rainer Wulf and CIFSS sent a specific email stating no open race during the CIF season
Not true. There are more specifics to it then that.
Why does anyone consider this a tragedy? I went to a CA high school, had good enough grades, and never even pusued the CIF option. Did I have elegibility that I never used? Probably. Never asked. That's about how much I cared about what CIF thinks when I was 16 and in CA.
What do they offer that I wanted? Nothing. What do they offer that recent and current teen stars want? Apparently not much.
Well if Engelhardt isn’t eligible for XC during Fall 2024, it will take away Ventura’s chances of making NXN.
If she is on the team, Ventura will have the best team they ever will have
NXN is not organized by CIF and isn't subject to their rules. They don't even recognize school affiliation. You can run as a club but you don't represent your school district, aren't supposed to wear the official school uniform (remember, NP had a school-issued uniform and a different-looking club uni), and the district's insurance doesn't cover any aspect of participation in Nike's event.
The only X-factor is if NXN doesn't offer a regional qualifier but uses CIF results instead. Then, this is a complete show stopper. Other than that, I have to agree with the first post I show here. Many of you say Cain should have run for her school, but there are examples of others who didn't.
Verzbikas never wore his school's uniform on a track (he did in XC) and never ran in any track events sanctioned by CIF or his (or any) State's equivalent. Mu ran unattached. Gorriaran maybe (don't remember much detail but I'm sure some of you do). The Young's last season turned out OK.
I suspect official school-sponsored programs are valuable to a lot of kids. Some do it as a credit class. Some are there for the social interaction. Some start running under a school coach, as in, they've never run before ahowing up at a practice.
But I have to agree with the poster in question when I wonder what the school actually offers the good runners. Not sure about currently, but there were generations for which school baseball played second fiddle to American Legion. And school basketball to AAU. Similar with soccer. The regional programs with connections to semi-pro and farm teams are seperate from and better than the CIF (or your State) program.
Seems to me, official school-sponsored sports is great for those who can't compete in a situation that is a step above. Not knocking the more casual participants, but I'm also not knocking those who leave their school and it's coach behind. I like to see it!