I had a cold/flu recently. Don’t know if I’ve ever had Covid before or again recently. Why would I get tested? How would knowing one way or the other help me with a mild illness?
The pure bloods? Once, maybe twice, with the second time being like a head cold.
I’ve had COVID once. NBD. The unvaxxed dude Nextdoor died of COVID the second time he got it. beware
Well, that sounds statistically significant. 😂 You vaxtards are so desperate now it’s hilarious. 😆 I love coming here once in a while for a good laugh.
Lol. That’s why every unvaccinated person around me isn’t getting it and every multi-vaxxed person is. Immune imprinting and immune tolerance. Oh, and natural immunity is superior to any iteration of the vaccines in relatively young, otherwise healthy people. It’s science.
someone please clarify something about the anti-vax ideology: is it the COVID vaccine you distrust, or every vaccine?
Trying to understand antivaxxers is like pissing in the wind, it’s a pointless exercise because everything they do or say is in bad faith. Modern antivaxxers are basically an extension of your standard crazy right winger. If it owns the libs, the right winger will do it, even if it requires humiliating themselves or making them appear insane.
I'm a physician and cared for patients with COVID throughout the pandemic and into its now endemic stages.
COVID-19 was a serious illness during 2020-2021. Sure, young and healthy people weren't dying at particularly high rates, but older and obese adults with moderate health issues were getting really sick and dying frequently. Small down ERs were intubating a person a day, a rate exponentially higher than pre pandemic. We were opening up "mini ICUs" in smaller centers where ICUs didn't exist before. Sure, you might joke and say "these people (older with comorbidities) had one foot in the grave" but these are people who likely had at least a decade left on this earth. The loss of that time is nothing to joke about.
Early vaccine trials and observational data suggested that vaccines worked well in those early stages at both preventing illness and spread. It made a lot of sense to get vaccinated early on - even if not for yourself, for the population as a whole.
Fast forward a few years and the virus has changed to become less virulent. Even for older adults, it's usually a relatively minor illness. Vaccines are less effective at preventing serious illness and spread and have rapidly waning effectiveness. I still recommend them (along with the flu vaccines) to those who are quite old and frail as they don't do well with any respiratory infection, including COVID. I haven't received boosters myself - I felt quite ill after my third shot and the personal risk-reward doesn't bear out. The minimal (and rapidly waning) benefit in population-level spread is not worth my own discomfort (to me). If I didn't have a reaction to the vaccine I would probably still get it for the small benefit to myself and the population.
What I don't get is how so many people seem incapable of understanding how knowledge, policy, and opinions can change over time as facts change and new knowledge comes to light. It's so strange to me how a medical intervention has become some hotly divided political issue.
Early in the pandemic, those calling COVID "just the flu" were uninformed. It was a serious disease which needed to be taken seriously. Arguments could be made about balancing economic cost but it was crushing the health care system.
Now, those who preach moral failing for not getting boosters and continue to live in a "pandemic world" are also uninformed. It's almost like people cannot change their beliefs without somehow feeling like they were wrong or have a moral failing?
Lol. That’s why every unvaccinated person around me isn’t getting it and every multi-vaxxed person is. Immune imprinting and immune tolerance. Oh, and natural immunity is superior to any iteration of the vaccines in relatively young, otherwise healthy people. It’s science.
Stick to dispensing pills man.
Are you dumb
He’s not dumb, he’s just terminally committed to dogma, such that every issue is warped through its lens.
I'm a physician and cared for patients with COVID throughout the pandemic and into its now endemic stages.
COVID-19 was a serious illness during 2020-2021. Sure, young and healthy people weren't dying at particularly high rates, but older and obese adults with moderate health issues were getting really sick and dying frequently. Small down ERs were intubating a person a day, a rate exponentially higher than pre pandemic. We were opening up "mini ICUs" in smaller centers where ICUs didn't exist before. Sure, you might joke and say "these people (older with comorbidities) had one foot in the grave" but these are people who likely had at least a decade left on this earth. The loss of that time is nothing to joke about.
Early vaccine trials and observational data suggested that vaccines worked well in those early stages at both preventing illness and spread. It made a lot of sense to get vaccinated early on - even if not for yourself, for the population as a whole.
Fast forward a few years and the virus has changed to become less virulent. Even for older adults, it's usually a relatively minor illness. Vaccines are less effective at preventing serious illness and spread and have rapidly waning effectiveness. I still recommend them (along with the flu vaccines) to those who are quite old and frail as they don't do well with any respiratory infection, including COVID. I haven't received boosters myself - I felt quite ill after my third shot and the personal risk-reward doesn't bear out. The minimal (and rapidly waning) benefit in population-level spread is not worth my own discomfort (to me). If I didn't have a reaction to the vaccine I would probably still get it for the small benefit to myself and the population.
What I don't get is how so many people seem incapable of understanding how knowledge, policy, and opinions can change over time as facts change and new knowledge comes to light. It's so strange to me how a medical intervention has become some hotly divided political issue.
Early in the pandemic, those calling COVID "just the flu" were uninformed. It was a serious disease which needed to be taken seriously. Arguments could be made about balancing economic cost but it was crushing the health care system.
Now, those who preach moral failing for not getting boosters and continue to live in a "pandemic world" are also uninformed. It's almost like people cannot change their beliefs without somehow feeling like they were wrong or have a moral failing?
I'm a physician and cared for patients with COVID throughout the pandemic and into its now endemic stages.
COVID-19 was a serious illness during 2020-2021. Sure, young and healthy people weren't dying at particularly high rates, but older and obese adults with moderate health issues were getting really sick and dying frequently. Small down ERs were intubating a person a day, a rate exponentially higher than pre pandemic. We were opening up "mini ICUs" in smaller centers where ICUs didn't exist before. Sure, you might joke and say "these people (older with comorbidities) had one foot in the grave" but these are people who likely had at least a decade left on this earth. The loss of that time is nothing to joke about.
Early vaccine trials and observational data suggested that vaccines worked well in those early stages at both preventing illness and spread. It made a lot of sense to get vaccinated early on - even if not for yourself, for the population as a whole.
Fast forward a few years and the virus has changed to become less virulent. Even for older adults, it's usually a relatively minor illness. Vaccines are less effective at preventing serious illness and spread and have rapidly waning effectiveness. I still recommend them (along with the flu vaccines) to those who are quite old and frail as they don't do well with any respiratory infection, including COVID. I haven't received boosters myself - I felt quite ill after my third shot and the personal risk-reward doesn't bear out. The minimal (and rapidly waning) benefit in population-level spread is not worth my own discomfort (to me). If I didn't have a reaction to the vaccine I would probably still get it for the small benefit to myself and the population.
What I don't get is how so many people seem incapable of understanding how knowledge, policy, and opinions can change over time as facts change and new knowledge comes to light. It's so strange to me how a medical intervention has become some hotly divided political issue.
Early in the pandemic, those calling COVID "just the flu" were uninformed. It was a serious disease which needed to be taken seriously. Arguments could be made about balancing economic cost but it was crushing the health care system.
Now, those who preach moral failing for not getting boosters and continue to live in a "pandemic world" are also uninformed. It's almost like people cannot change their beliefs without somehow feeling like they were wrong or have a moral failing?
Intubating people was killing them. As you were not being treated with anything that actually helped (steroids, monoclonals, ivermectin), you were better off staying at home if you got real sick with Covid.
More likely: A fake tale concocted by a ma ga lunatic.
Amazing how you guys always have to conflate politics and M.A.G.A. with otherwise reasonable people who have a background in “science” and merely were highly skeptical of the vaccines for anyone outside of the high risk groups. I simply read the literature, figured I could cultivate better immunity naturally than with a still experimental LNP-encased (non-targeted) mRNA vaccine coding for one super antigen by simply taking a few well-advised supplements to help mitigate the virus and inflammatory response. I’ve been proven right in my peer group, as has my family and friends who opted out. The unvaccinated among us are not getting Covid again.
So I just had dinner at my brother’s house yesterday and come to find out that his best friend, a pro-vax lunatic who shunned my brother for a period of time, had his heart stop, twice, at home. He had to get a pacemaker implant because he has an “electrical conduction” issue. This is a 50-year old, extremely fit cyclist with zero evidence of any cardiopulmonary disease. Now, can I prove this was the vaccine? No, I cannot. And, yet, I know so many people now who have similar stories. This case will never make its way to VAERS, even if the doctors could shed their cognitive dissonance and be reasonably open-minded about the cause.
Never voted for Trump, but, if you are so simple minded that it “has to be this way,” carry on with your sad, incurious, un-investigating life. None of what I’ve said is untrue, but if you need to tell yourself these “stories” aren’t true, I can’t stop you.
1. There are so many lunatics posting here, its hard to split hairs.
2. Getting covid is riskier than getting vaccinated.
3. I deal with teens and young adults all the time. Untold numbers of them have gotten covid multiple times. Sometimes its mild, sometimes not. Sometimes the first time is bad, sometimes the third. I have a relative that got infected early on, before vaccines, his sense of smell will never be right. But, hey, it was a mild illness!
4. Ignoring covid and going to school/work (esp unmasked) while ill, is immoral. That goes for flu etc also but flu isn't as insidious as covid because by the time your feeling well enough to do those things with flu, you probably aren't contagious.
Amazing how you guys always have to conflate politics and M.A.G.A. with otherwise reasonable people who have a background in “science” and merely were highly skeptical of the vaccines for anyone outside of the high risk groups. I simply read the literature, figured I could cultivate better immunity naturally than with a still experimental LNP-encased (non-targeted) mRNA vaccine coding for one super antigen by simply taking a few well-advised supplements to help mitigate the virus and inflammatory response. I’ve been proven right in my peer group, as has my family and friends who opted out. The unvaccinated among us are not getting Covid again.
So I just had dinner at my brother’s house yesterday and come to find out that his best friend, a pro-vax lunatic who shunned my brother for a period of time, had his heart stop, twice, at home. He had to get a pacemaker implant because he has an “electrical conduction” issue. This is a 50-year old, extremely fit cyclist with zero evidence of any cardiopulmonary disease. Now, can I prove this was the vaccine? No, I cannot. And, yet, I know so many people now who have similar stories. This case will never make its way to VAERS, even if the doctors could shed their cognitive dissonance and be reasonably open-minded about the cause.
Never voted for Trump, but, if you are so simple minded that it “has to be this way,” carry on with your sad, incurious, un-investigating life. None of what I’ve said is untrue, but if you need to tell yourself these “stories” aren’t true, I can’t stop you.
1. There are so many lunatics posting here, its hard to split hairs.
2. Getting covid is riskier than getting vaccinated.
3. I deal with teens and young adults all the time. Untold numbers of them have gotten covid multiple times. Sometimes its mild, sometimes not. Sometimes the first time is bad, sometimes the third. I have a relative that got infected early on, before vaccines, his sense of smell will never be right. But, hey, it was a mild illness!
4. Ignoring covid and going to school/work (esp unmasked) while ill, is immoral. That goes for flu etc also but flu isn't as insidious as covid because by the time your feeling well enough to do those things with flu, you probably aren't contagious.
I don't get involved in US political partisanship so my decision to stay in the cotrol group was based on following the science from actual virologists and the knowledge that taking an untested new drug was extremely foolish.
Oh and the fact that millions of old people had only mild symptoms.
Also, an awareness that the 'novel virus' had been around for several years already.
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