In the early Aughts, Josh Spiker was known for running 4:06 for the mile in high school on even lower mileage than Valby while doing the equivalent of over 100 mpw on the elliptical.
didn't Roger Bannister train very little? 20-30 mpw? Not sure if that has been debunked.
Yes, Sir Roger Bannister ran the first sub-4 minute mile on about 25 miles per week of interval training--with no additional cross-training.
I see threads saying a particular athlete has made big gains because they are putting in big miles - maybe 200 a week. Now I see a thread where people suggest it's quite normal to make big gains on next to no miles - like 20 or 30 miles a week. It must all be due to cross training.
I wish you people would make up your mind. Either modern performances are based on hard training or they aren't. Bannister's programme seems to work just as well. But that may be because some performance gains don't actually have that much to do with training. There's something else.
I improved a lot after college running 4 times per week on 25-40 miles per week (quality running), but i also improved years later running 4 months at 150 miles per week.
It's not that complicated. Anything that stresses the body leads to adaptation given proper rest. and it not an either or.
I improved a lot after college running 4 times per week on 25-40 miles per week (quality running), but i also improved years later running 4 months at 150 miles per week.
It's not that complicated. Anything that stresses the body leads to adaptation given proper rest. and it not an either or.
You are still saying it doesn't matter what kind of training you do - whether you train hard or only a little, you can get big gains. That goes against everything that is understood to be necessary to high performance: training matters - and for a distance athlete there is no getting around the need for mileage. That is, unless you've found another way.
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I improved a lot after college running 4 times per week on 25-40 miles per week (quality running), but i also improved years later running 4 months at 150 miles per week.
It's not that complicated. Anything that stresses the body leads to adaptation given proper rest. and it not an either or.
This.
There might be an optimal way for each individual, but I’d guess that may even change over the scope of a career. A training stimulus may cease to work for an athlete.
re: Valby. She’s the most genetically gifted. That’s her #1 asset. Talent is her base. There have been others like her. Crosstraining for general aerobic fitness and weight management plus targeted running workouts for specific fitness and running economy = racing success for the super fragile, uber talented.
I improved a lot after college running 4 times per week on 25-40 miles per week (quality running), but i also improved years later running 4 months at 150 miles per week.
It's not that complicated. Anything that stresses the body leads to adaptation given proper rest. and it not an either or.
This.
There might be an optimal way for each individual, but I’d guess that may even change over the scope of a career. A training stimulus may cease to work for an athlete.
re: Valby. She’s the most genetically gifted. That’s her #1 asset. Talent is her base. There have been others like her. Crosstraining for general aerobic fitness and weight management plus targeted running workouts for specific fitness and running economy = racing success for the super fragile, uber talented.
Yep, when you're "genetically-gifted" you don't have to train as hard as everyone else.
Talent and consistency are key. Plus cross training is keeping the aerobic system going.
Long term hopefully she can work on improving her bodies resilience and move up the days ran per week. I think she could be much better on 3-4 or 4-5 days a week of running, but no need to push for 6-7
I tend to believe her because she's young and talented. No mention of other types of training that I'm aware of by her. And based on past interviews she always looks to improve (she's learned tangents). It's also indicative of why she only knows one gear. Tempp runs would help her to learn how to change gears. But for not sure how low mileage will translate when she turns pro, it will be another challenge though.
We are all falling for a sham. No, I do not believe any runner can elliptical their way to the gains she has had this season.
If one of the title contenders on the men's side said the same thing, no one would believe it. No one. Tell me I am wrong. Nico young, Ky Robinson, Habtom Samuel, Graham Blanks: "I run 3 days a week and use the elliptical" ya right! Sure you do
After years of cross training and dealing with triathlon workouts, I know it’s totally possible. It’s not like she’s prepping for a 10K or half marathon. It will be interesting to see how Bowerman transitions her and how a part time runner can compete at the next level.
3 days a week running above average miles and intensity + cross train longer and higher intensity than easy running days + less aches = faster racer.
Elizabeth Leachman just won Nike South Regionals with a low 16 minute run almost a minute ahead of other nationally ranked runners like Samantha Humphries with this same type of training 20-30 miles a week.
It makes complete sense if all your runs are quality and your aerobic base is built injury free cross training. They key people are missing is that running 30 miles a week doesn't mean she's just that talented doing less than everyone, I bet the aerobic load of that cross training exceeds what many of the top competitors are running the other 4 days of week easy-medium.
3 days a week running above average miles and intensity + cross train longer and higher intensity than easy running days + less aches = faster racer.
Elizabeth Leachman just won Nike South Regionals with a low 16 minute run almost a minute ahead of other nationally ranked runners like Samantha Humphries with this same type of training 20-30 miles a week.
It makes complete sense if all your runs are quality and your aerobic base is built injury free cross training. They key people are missing is that running 30 miles a week doesn't mean she's just that talented doing less than everyone, I bet the aerobic load of that cross training exceeds what many of the top competitors are running the other 4 days of week easy-medium.
Is it any surprise the biggest anonymous Coward on this site in Armslivs shows up on this thread?
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