Glad you understand yourself a little better. Perhaps we can get you a weighted vest and paint the walls in your home white and you can start your road to becoming all that you can be.
Glad you understand yourself a little better. Perhaps we can get you a weighted vest and paint the walls in your home white and you can start your road to becoming all that you can be.
yeppers wrote:
Well... wrote:Masturbation is totally legal. I'm not allowed to walk into a public place, drop my pants, a pinch one off every time I feel like it.
He said private, not public.
He's also saying that he thinks that sort of thing SHOULD be legal if the bar owner says it's OK.
And I agree.
That's going to be one messed up bar...
Mtn Dew, keep telling yourself this:
"....you have the right to swing your fist up UNTIL it hits someone in the nose, at which point it infringes on someone else's rights. Understand?"
Now go to your local police officer and try it. When they slam you down on a car hood and cuff you for assault, tell them you were only exercising your rights.
FINE, he picked a poor example! We get it. Just insert some other example that demonstrates that people have certain rights until their actions infringe on other people.
Legal Beagle wrote:
Mtn Dew, keep telling yourself this:
"....you have the right to swing your fist up UNTIL it hits someone in the nose, at which point it infringes on someone else's rights. Understand?"
Now go to your local police officer and try it. When they slam you down on a car hood and cuff you for assault, tell them you were only exercising your rights.
It's not meant to be taken literally. Are you autistic too? Is this the first time you've heard that analogy?
Personal Trainer wrote:
You're way off here. You're clearly one of these people that thinks that a business owner has a "right" to do whatever he wants on his property. This couldn't be further from the truth. There are any number of things a restaurant must go through that restrict his "rights". Think about zoning laws, liquor/bar permits, just for starters. Health code inspections, health code violations, the city can shut you down for any of these. On, and on, and on. The government tells you where you can and can't build. Whether you can serve liquor. How to keep your kitchen clean. What minimums to pay your staff. Etc, etc, etc.
No one has a "right" to smoke -- it's a privilege, and one that has been continually restricted as the negative health effects have become known. Remember, you used to be able to smoke in movie theaters, airplanes, hospitals, just about anywhere. My city (Indianapolis) went smoke free today. It's about time.
Instead of merely citing examples of restrictions and thinking that is evidence enough, what you should be asking is if one more restriction is justified. Or if all the previous ones were justified to begin with.
Why do they need liquor licenses in the first place? I've never given it much thought, but now that I am, I can't seem to think of a good reason. Maybe just extra revenue for the city?
Why are there zoning laws? If I own a piece of property, why do I have to get permission to do what I want on it?
Health codes are good laws, though I have a feeling that even if they did not exist, the marketplace would dictate that most restaurants try to be clean. All it takes is one nasty outbreak or rumor of dirty kitchens to ruin a restaurant's reputation.
So I ask you - instead of saying "Oh, there are plenty of restrictions, so this would just be one more", you should be asking, "Do we already have too many? Does it make sense to add one more?"
Man you can't stop the bragging can you flagpole willy? Did you need to say that you were a musician, or how often you play or how good you were to make your point? NO. My experience has been that musicians who tend to brag really aren't half as good as they say they are.
Flagpole Willy wrote:
As a musician who plays killer blues and classic rock 2-5 times a month in bars and restaurants and outdoor festivals, I am very glad to have the smoking bans. Many of the places observe the law, but not all do. The fine in Columbus is something like $200, so the bars (who break the law) rent ash trays for $1 to smokers and put the money in a "if we're fined" pot, and then they smoke like chimneys. Many neighborhood bars will never be fined.
I'm for poor people since I'm a Democrat, and basically, smoking hurts poor people the most. They have less education, fewer avenues to help them quit, fewer avenues to help them when they get sick, and many work in places like smoke filled bars and even if they aren't smokers, 8-10 hours a day in a smoke filled room is seriously bad for you.
So, fair for a city to ban smoking in public places (and as someone already said, a restaurant or a bar is a public place) -- you bet. Governments have to pick up the tab for uninsured people who end up lung cancer and spend the last 6 months of their lives in a hospital. Ban it ban it ban it. Sounds great to me.
Smoking is a filthy and disgusting habit that can cause serious side effects in both smokers and non smokers. A government has a responsibility to it's citizens to protect them. Just like drinking and driving and is not allowed, smoking anywhere apart from outside should be banned. I shouldn't have to go to another bar or restuarant just because I am healthy and choose to take care of myself. Perhaps if smokers are inconvenienced enough than they will quit.
Wow, your idea of the purpose of government scares me.
state meister wrote:
Man you can't stop the bragging can you flagpole willy? Did you need to say that you were a musician, or how often you play or how good you were to make your point? NO.
Flagpole Willy wrote:As a musician who plays killer blues and classic rock 2-5 times a month in bars and restaurants and outdoor festivals, I am very glad to have the smoking bans. Many of the places observe the law, but not all do. The fine in Columbus is something like $200, so the bars (who break the law) rent ash trays for $1 to smokers and put the money in a "if we're fined" pot, and then they smoke like chimneys. Many neighborhood bars will never be fined.
I'm for poor people since I'm a Democrat, and basically, smoking hurts poor people the most. They have less education, fewer avenues to help them quit, fewer avenues to help them when they get sick, and many work in places like smoke filled bars and even if they aren't smokers, 8-10 hours a day in a smoke filled room is seriously bad for you.
So, fair for a city to ban smoking in public places (and as someone already said, a restaurant or a bar is a public place) -- you bet. Governments have to pick up the tab for uninsured people who end up lung cancer and spend the last 6 months of their lives in a hospital. Ban it ban it ban it. Sounds great to me.
Dude, don't get your panties in a bunch. I wrote it that way on purpose, JUST TO BE SILLY. No one in their right mind would throw an unasked for plug about their abilities into a response like that. I've done this for years; it's just part of the character that is Flagpole Willy (a MADE UP character). IT'S JUST A JOKE DUDE!!!
Mtn Dew wrote:
Wow, your idea of the purpose of government scares me.
Yeah, me too. That dude wants the government to stop me from eating tons of pizza and drinking alcohol in excess.
Mtn Dew wrote:
It's not meant to be taken literally. Are you autistic too? Is this the first time you've heard that analogy?
Oh, so it's an analogy! Oh...too bad it doesn't work.
Just because it's a hackneyed cliche doesn't make it worth repeating nor does it make it logical. It doesn't even work as an anaology because it can only analogise to things that are make-believe.
Here...I have the right to point a gun at you until I shoot you. Doesn't work, does it?
Yes! Six in a row!
Flagpole Willy wrote:
Dude, don't get your panties in a bunch. I wrote it that way on purpose, JUST TO BE SILLY. No one in their right mind would throw an unasked for plug about their abilities into a response like that. I've done this for years; it's just part of the character that is Flagpole Willy (a MADE UP character). IT'S JUST A JOKE DUDE!!!
Well then get a clue dude cause the character that is Flagpole Willy is an arrogant dick.
Flagpole isn't an arrogant f***!
Well ok so he is.
Ron Scribner wrote:
Flagpole Willy wrote:Dude, don't get your panties in a bunch. I wrote it that way on purpose, JUST TO BE SILLY. No one in their right mind would throw an unasked for plug about their abilities into a response like that. I've done this for years; it's just part of the character that is Flagpole Willy (a MADE UP character). IT'S JUST A JOKE DUDE!!!
Well then get a clue dude cause the character that is Flagpole Willy is an arrogant dick.
Of COURSE he is! He's so over the top as to not be believed. If you get mad over it, then you don't get the running joke. Anyway, I hardly post here anymore anyway since I'm spending much more time these days honing my mad keyboard skills and coming along vocals. The guitar is starting to cry a little bit too which is amazing. No longer are my music talents limited by a keyboard.
[Tip: if the above personal plug bothers you, then you still don't get it]
Effects of a smoking ban in bars sometime reach deep into a family dynamic.I have a friend who sells matchbook advertising,his family related to the famous Henry C Traute, coiner of the phrase"Close Cover When Striking", founding father of the match book ad industry,with a 10 million pack order from Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer matchbook in 1902.Fast forward to the 50's his Dad had split the private family company into two,the matchbook imprint and decalcomania, which was now about 60% of the business, divisions. When the dad died in the sixties his older sister took the matchbook imprint company and an Uncle took the decalcomania part. By the 70's my friend was running the advertising side.By the 90's with the economy tail spinning and three kids in HS/College he took a large order for a novelty matchbook featuring nude pin-ups on the cover, this order and the contract for future orders lit a little light at the end of the tunnel.....maybe the company and its work force of longtime employees could survive. Then "The Bar Ban" in NYC(80%of business from Metro area)
Thank goodness for the Nude Matches...........A long time office employee had a son who just was graduated from law school. He had his Mom file a sexual harassment charge because of the nude pictures hung in the art department consisting of both design concepts and finished product.
Now the bars/restaurants are not ordering matches and his last ditch effort to save the company and the jobs of women like the aforementioned long time worker is under political correctness attack.
Then the verdict.....judge said .....nudes in design phase O.K. the finished products however constitute harassment and find in favor of plaintive. Bankrupt from low sales,overextended credit and no Bar Matchbook sales because of "The Ban". He liquidates the chattle and at 57 with one kid still in school and a shirtload of debt he faces starting all over again from scratch. His wife leaves him,just to add insult to injury and he goes off the deep end and winds up on funnyfarm drugs from his doctors and bouts with suicidal thoughts that shuffles him in and out of treatment facilities a couple times a year.Then the
INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE letter comes. He drops the letter unopened on his kitchen table. steps out onto and then off his balcony to the street 9 stories below.
To make a long story short is the nosmoking ban in bars fair...........not for one family it wasn't.
TH
Nay Sayer wrote:
I'm pretty sure that smokers (at least in NY) carry more than their financial weight. They pay roughly $2.50 in taxes per pack!!!
Say they smoke a pack a day seven days a week.
Thats $17.50 per week. $910 per year. Say they smoke for 30 years, thats $27,300 total. And considering that you really can't prove that cigerettes CAUSE cancer, you really can't bitch about having to subsidize them, espically considering that we all engage in unhealthy behaviors that may end up costing money in the long run.
Nobody is saying that these people have to stop buying cigarettes, just that they can't smoke them in public places!! They can smoke outside, in their car, at home, etc...the government would still get their tax revenue. My town just went through the process of a smoking ban for restaurants and public places this winter. At the one of the city hall meetings, there were several people (all admitted smokers) who waited over two hours to voice their opinions about how they should be able to smoke in a restaurant if they want to. My point is if they can wait for two hours without smoking to state their opinions, they can wait just as long and not smoke in a restaurant while I eat!!
Of course it is fair. people should be free to breath air that doesn't have carcinogens.
rod man wrote:
Of course it is fair. people should be free to breath air that doesn't have carcinogens.
Not in this friggin polluted world.
Nah, dude. You can eat and drink whatever you want, just so long as it doesn't affect other people.
KnowItAll wrote:
Mtn Dew wrote:Wow, your idea of the purpose of government scares me.
Yeah, me too. That dude wants the government to stop me from eating tons of pizza and drinking alcohol in excess.