Hi I've qualified for the trials and I do not want to race at 6am because waking up at 3 am sounds really awful.
I'm going to do my best to adapt to possible worst case conditions of a hot race so I'm not really complaining about noon, but couldn't it just be a normal marathon time like 8 or 9am?
Why not at night? Well because that creates a potential nutrition nightmare. Honestly prepping for the Mt. Sac 10k in college was hard enough. Ran it 3 times and could never quite get the meals and timing right. Ran it once with too much in my system and once where I went the other route and was hungry on the line.
Let's think outside of the box. .What's wrong with 8pm? No heat from the sun at that hour. Someone can crunch the numbers on dew point but growing up in Texas running at night was my favorite time to run.
Let's think outside of the box. .What's wrong with 8pm? No heat from the sun at that hour. Someone can crunch the numbers on dew point but growing up in Texas running at night was my favorite time to run.
This is out of the box and not a bad idea (although it'll definitely not happen). Lower dew point/humidity, no sun beating down. Prime-time tv slot (NBC wouldn't do this). It would make a really fun spectator atmosphere running under the lights. I don't know much about the course, but if there are a bunch of bars and restaurants around it, it could have a really festive feel. Heck, Orlando could even get some lax open-container exception in place to really drum up local business profits. Not only is it about being a good experience for the athletes, it's also about the spectators and the city as a whole.
Yes let's select a team that will suck in the heat in Paris.
I actually think the US men should get a 5 minute head start over the Kenyan and Ethiopian men in the Olympic marathon. It is time to make these races interesting. Although I am not sure if 5 minutes would be enough.
And if you don’t like that idea, something along those lines could be used to make races more interesting. The strategy involved could be compelling.
Let's think outside of the box. .What's wrong with 8pm? No heat from the sun at that hour. Someone can crunch the numbers on dew point but growing up in Texas running at night was my favorite time to run.
I agree
Yes this is worth a strong consideration. Plus as you get later in the race ostensibly it would be cooling instead of warming.
I believe the goal is to send competitors that's capable of running in the conditions they're most likely to face at the time. The goal isn't simply to qualify under most ideal conditions then get to the Olympics and have nothing but DNFs due to the heat. Having qualifications is to eliminate people that won't do well at the meet. People that run well under the projected conditions are who you want selected and you need to discover that now. I wouldn't vote for a time change. I wouldn't be satisfied with catering to pro athletes that don't want to run because the weather isn't ideal for them in competition. Adjust or be eliminated.
I believe that there was no 'goal' or thought process behind choosing Orlando or picking a noon start that had anything to do with the athletes or in selecting a capable team. Max did not have any goal in mind other than lining his pockets. Just my two cents.
It's better for TV time for it to stay at noon. People may actually watch. Who is going to watch at 6/7am and 3/4am on the West Coast? They have already said they will move it if it happens to be too hot.
And honestly it's more unpredictable and entertaining if the weather is warm. Not a death march like Doja, but not perfect conditions either. It will be hot and hilly in Paris. Let the tough ones rise to the top.
Dude, nobody is going to be watching... you know that
I guarantee I've run way faster than you, so you can go sit down. If you're American and faster than me, I will probably know who you are. I highly doubt you're one of those people. If a the fastest runner in the world shows up to the start line in any conditions, they're still going to be a favorite to win the race. Hot weather doesn't make a slow runner suddenly the favorite to win a race. Hot weather makes everyone run slower than they normally would. If it was 75 degrees in Chicago over the weekend, Kiptum would not have run 2:00:35, but he still would have won the race.
Will I see you in Paris, though?
Anyway, why don't you post more and expose your lack of knowledge on this even more. I'm amused, I'm sure others are too.
So being top 3 American is required to talk on the subject? I'll be at the trials, maybe if I have a good day I'll be 15th or so. Since you won't be running in Paris I guess you should shut up about the subject as well, as should everyone on this thread. I know that if it was good weather I could run something like 2:10/2:11, if it's 75 degrees like it probably will be that type of performance will be a 2:16. And someone like Mantz who could run 2:07/2:08 in nice weather is going to run more like a 2:10 or 2:11 if it's 75 degrees, but he's still going to be in the front group either way. It's not that hard to believe that.
A decent portion of marathons do start at 6:30 or 7:00 am. A noon start could potentially mean, if the heat is around 75-77 degrees, which is possible in February in Orlando, that one or two of the top finishers could miss the A standard if they don't have it already. Noon is a ridiculous marathon time.
Everyone keeps worrying about the Olympic standard. Nobody needs to hit the Olympic standard at Trials. We already have over ten women with the Olympic "A" standard. We have two men that have hit the time standard, plus Fauble and Rupp are currently 40th and 48th in the rankings - anything in the top 65 is equivalent to the "A" standard, and it's unlikely they'll fall out of the top 65 by January. Ergo, we've unlocked all six of our Olympic Marathon spots and we can send whoever places at Trials as long as they've got the "B" standard.
My vote would be for 9 AM. Gives people on the West Coast a chance to watch, and athletes and spectators don't have to get up at a ridiculous hour. Ensures that whoever we send to Paris can at least handle some heat, but also avoids an 80 degree bloodbath where our best runners all fade and some dark horse ends up winning.
Rupp and Molly have done well in hot weather and they're both Olympic medalist under extreme conditions. The people petitioning to not run at 12 in the heat are aware they're not going to do well but want to qualify regardless. The trials are simulating the projected conditions for the event. The athletes that are asking for an early race for the trials need to have it explained why they chose that time and good luck on qualifying.
Hi I've qualified for the trials and I do not want to race at 6am because waking up at 3 am sounds really awful.
I'm going to do my best to adapt to possible worst case conditions of a hot race so I'm not really complaining about noon, but couldn't it just be a normal marathon time like 8 or 9am?
Why not at night? Well because that creates a potential nutrition nightmare. Honestly prepping for the Mt. Sac 10k in college was hard enough. Ran it 3 times and could never quite get the meals and timing right. Ran it once with too much in my system and once where I went the other route and was hungry on the line.
Good thing you never qualified for Worlds/Olympics in the 5k/10k! Lucky guy!
My take: 6 am is a non-starter. No need to have it that early.
Personally I think they could keep it at noon and then if it is above a certain temp, move it to 8 am a few days before. Usually Orlando in February isn't that much different than Paris in the summer.
But my favorite option is to run it at night. What am I missing with that option?
You obviously never directed a major road race. The police must be given a schedule way ahead of time.
The group of runners confronting the RD can also argue how much $$ the race will save. Police know what time are the highest traffic flows. To get out earlier, would help the overall bill from the police.
Anyway, why don't you post more and expose your lack of knowledge on this even more. I'm amused, I'm sure others are too.
So being top 3 American is required to talk on the subject? I'll be at the trials, maybe if I have a good day I'll be 15th or so. Since you won't be running in Paris I guess you should shut up about the subject as well, as should everyone on this thread. I know that if it was good weather I could run something like 2:10/2:11, if it's 75 degrees like it probably will be that type of performance will be a 2:16. And someone like Mantz who could run 2:07/2:08 in nice weather is going to run more like a 2:10 or 2:11 if it's 75 degrees, but he's still going to be in the front group either way. It's not that hard to believe that.
You have a point, but the fact remains that some runners perform better in the heat, some runners perform better in cold, rainy weather, some perform better in the freezing temps, etc. You can't just add 3-4 minutes to everyone's time and assume that's how it will work.
That said, a noon start DOES NOT bode well for Mantz.
Rupp was asked about the noon start time and he wasn't concerned in the slightest and said he actually prefers noon because he's not a morning person.
That was awesome. I became an even bigger fan after watching that interview last week.
I have no idea why the hours between 6 AM and 2 PM exist in the first place. I'm glad I never see them.
Everything is viewed on tape delay for me, often days or a week later. I almost never have an outcome spoiled. You just have to know which sites/threads to avoid.
Other than events I have attended, I think the last sporting event I watched live was the Patriots/Falcons Super Bowl. And that was only because I was invited to a neighbor's watch party. On my own accord it would be the 49ers/Ravens Super Bowl.