Fair or Foul: Non binary runner Cal Calamia reported to USADA for testosterone use.

He says "I was reported to the USADA for taking testosterone".

How do you report someone to the USADA for taking a PED, especially a non-elite runner?

What are you on about. World Athletics defines the female category as XY chromosome people, AND people with disorders of sexual development like Caster Semenya, if they suppress their testosterone. Identity has NOTHING to do with IAAF rules.

Specifically quoting the World Athletics handbook on the 'transgender issue: "the substantial sex differences in sports performance that emerge from puberty onward means the only way to achieve the objectives above (fairness of competition) is to maintain separate classifications, (competition categories) for male and female athletes." Paragraph 1.1.2, eligibility regulations

I don't understand how different divisions for men and women promotes fairness. If I compete against Jakob, I gaurantee you that there will be many measurable physical differences (many that are genetic) that will give him an inherent advantage, and a great majority of the time, he will win!

Because of this, should we introduce a different category based on some physiological trait so that BOTH he and I can both win? I think we can agree that we should not.

This is where we got off track. There should be one race, with the victory going to one person. Of course, any and every body should be welcomed to compete, but trying to manipulate outcomes by having additional divisions is not "fairness".

This non-binary or trans debate in sports shouldn't even exist.

Bruh I'm so sorry, but just because you can't beat Jakob we don't then screw over half the world population

Wrong, you have failed to quote the definition you claimed in your post.

No one would be getting screwed over. All would be encouraged to compete. People are people and should be treated fairly.

I mistyped, I meant XX chromosome people. Biological female. WA uses the defining term biological female. Only biological females are eligible for the female category, with an exception allowed for DSD athletes (Semenya) who suppress testosterone. For these athletes, IAAF requires that their birth certificate designated them as female at the time of their birth. This designation is incorrect because athletes such as Semenya are actually male, but IAAF is being sympathetic to them being born with a birth defect that they had no control over.

Sure, troll. It's totally not screwing women over for them to NEVER go to the Olympics, never get an athletic scholarship, never win a state championship, never win a national title. I'm sorry dude, the fact that you're not a very good runner compared to men is something that is on you to come to terms with. We don't take away women's opportunities in sports so pathetic betas can feel a little better about themselves because they can beat girls

I am bored of your lack of precision and inability to quote from the eligibility rules. You sound like you think WA doesn’t allow transwomen to participate in the women’s category.

Can’t care to continue this idiotic exchange for the umpteenth time.

You're not understanding. No one would be precluding women from the Olympics, scholarships, championships, etc. My ability has nothing to do with what they may or may not achieve fairly.

I know logic is not your (or our collective) strong suit. Let me know when you come up with any good reason to have the unfair system we have.

Different sex divisions promote fairness because they ensure that being female isn't a barrier to high achievement or winning. If Jacob beats you, it's not because he's a man. It's because he has some other combination of traits and/or training that allows him to excel.

If Jakob beats anyone, it's not because he is a man, it's because he finished ahead. He has a combination of traits and/or training that allows him to excel.

Different sex divisions do not promote fairness, but simply division.

That sounds just like the social sciencey hocus pocus you were critiquing. It’s easier to acknowledge that you think gender identity separate from sex is nonsensical. Or do you perhaps think it is a legitimate innate human state of being?

Incorrect!

Read 3.2 of the currently policy.

3.2 To be eligible to compete in the female classification at a World Rankings Competition and to
have recognised any World Record performance in the female classification at a competition
that is not a World Rankings Competition, a Transgender female Athlete must meet each of
the following conditions (together, the “Transgender Female Eligibility Conditions”) to the
satisfaction of the Expert Panel:

3.2.1 They must provide a written and signed declaration, in a form satisfactory to the
Medical Manager, that their gender identity is female.

3.2.2 They must not have experienced any part of male puberty either beyond Tanner Stage
2 or after age 12 (whichever comes first).

3.2.3 Since puberty they must have continuously maintained the concentration of
testosterone in their serum below 2.5 nmol/L.

3.2.4 They must continue to maintain the concentration of testosterone in their serum
below 2.5 nmol/L at all times (i.e., whether they are in competition or out of
competition) for so long as they wish to retain eligibility to compete in the female
classification at World Rankings Competitions and/or have recognised any World
Record performance in the female classification at a competition that is not a World
Rankings Competition.

Some relevant excerpts from the CAS decision in the Caster Semeny case issued in May 2019, summarizing testimony given by the IAAF (now WA) in the court proceedings:

289. The IAAF states that while it fully supports the rights of individuals to be accepted on the basis of their chosen legal sex and/lor legal gender identity... "there are some contexts where biology has to trump identity."

... as long as males and females compete separately for reasons of fairness, eligibility to compete in the women's category must be based on the relevant differences between biological males and biological females.

295. The IAAF submits that... if people are objectively different in relevant ways, then different treatment may be necessary to secure fairness and equality... Accordingly, in order to fulfill its commitment to ensure that female athletes have the same opportunity as males to excel, the IAAF must address "the fact that biologically 5-ARD (and other 46XY DSD) athletes are identical to male athletes, and fundmanetally different from female athletes... and [this] therefore necessitates division of competition into separate sex categories." In other words, the IAAF is required to prioritize biology over gender identity.

297. Legal sex and gender identity each have no bearing on athletic perfomance... Allowing individuals to participate in the female category simply on the basis of their legal sex or gender identity would not deliver the protection from the unfair competition that the broad class of female athletes is entitled to.

The part I bolded isn't accurate.

None of the XY athletes with differences or disorders of male sex development who've competed in the women's category in the 21st century - and to whom WA's DSD regulations apply - have any birth certificates, baptismal certificates, medical records or other official documents that date to "the time of their birth" - or even from their early childhoods and adolescence - showing which sex they were thought to be at birth or as kids and teens growing up.

None of these athletes were born in medical settings. None of their mothers recieved medical care or monitoring from licensed HCPs during their pregnancies, and none gave brith with licensed HCPs in attendance. None of these athletes saw doctors or other HCPs for checkups as newborns or over the course of their childhoods and adolescence for checkups. At most, they might have seen a nurse visting their school a couple of times as kids, and the nurses would only have checked the kids' hearing and vision, and looked at them whilst clothed to see if they had obvious spine, limb or facial deformities.

For a variety of reasons, none of these athletes' parents filled out and filed the paperwork necessary to register their births with their countries' governments and obtain BCs for them at or near the time they were born, or even much later as they were growing up.

Semenya, for example, didn't get a birth certifcate for the first time until April 2007 when Semenya was 16.

The IAAF/WA and CAS have long been aware that many athletes come from parts of the world where it's still customary for kids to be born and grow up without birth certificates or medical records. Therefore WA and other international sports governing bodies do not customarily require athletes to provide birth certificates or other documentation dating to the time of their births or childhoods in order to register for sports events - and BCs are not required for classification in the female category.

It's precisely because world sports governing orgs like the IAAF/WA and FIFA do not require athletes to show "their birth certificate designated them as female at the time of their birth" that so many male athletes with differences of male sex development from countries in "the Global South" have found it incredibly easy to gain entry into girls' and women's competition, particularly in elite international women's track & field and soccer/football.

Oh dear, we’ve done this dance a few times now, haven’t we? How about you agree with the following numbered bullets or quote WA’s eligibility rules (distinct from any other WA issued document) to the contrary?

1) There is nothing in WA’s eligibility rules defining a woman as of XX karyotope.

2) WA’s eligibility rules do not question transwomen are “women” and does not anywhere differentiate that term from “female”.

3) Consistent with #2, WA’s eligibility rules permit transwomen to compete in the women’s category provided they meet some transition requirements.

4) WA’s eligibility rules do not advocate anywhere that transwomen are “biological males” and should therefore compete in the men’s category as many here advocate, you included.

Thus, WA’s eligibility rules do not impose that sexual biology markers or gender identity alone determine eligibility, they both do (which just follows from #3 alone).

I have no trouble believing that WA believes “biology” generally as well as sexual biology in particular determines performance (like most of us do). I also grant that WA in its court case documents uses the terms “biology”, “male”, “female”, and “sex” to mean what Everyman unaware of the nuances of transgenders or DSDs (as well as folks like you) might think them to mean, i.e., to imply a strict binary. That is simply a reflection of the fact that it is linguistically tricky to talk about these issues without implicitly relying on the mostly binary nature of sex and to distinguish sex from something else called gender identity, which we can all agree are two distinct things for which we need distinct terminology. That language does not imply that gender identity is irrelevant for participation eligibility, which is what my original comment was about.

Your mind is so open that it's been filled with garbage. If I insist I'm the King of Old Siam, will you oblige me and use my royal honorifics - My Lord and Your Majesty?

How is Cal's case any different than someone who identifies as innocent despite being convicted of a crime for which he is clearly guilty? I fail to see how in either case someone's opinion about himself or herself compels me, especially with evidence so overwhelmingly contrary to his or her opinion, to adhere to his or her view.

You can anonymously report suspected doping via USADA's Play Clean Tip Center.

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You don't have to be an elite athlete to violate anti-doping rules. Any individual competing in a nationally sanctioned event (i.e. any USATF road race) is subject to the same prohibited list as elite athletes.