This record makes Kratochvilova's and Koch's records look feeble. They couldn't get near the men's world records of any era. But Assefa is now faster than Abebe Bikila.
And Laura Muir is now faster than Roger Bannister? Same explanation?
Whether she’s doping or not, it’s still an incredible time. Given that she has destroyed known dopers. Credit where credit is due no way you can do that without a lot of hard work.
Has to be the shoes more than anything else.
She looked so easy all the way through. The pavers were telling her to slow down. We don't know if she juiced but the shoes are brought the magic today.
1. Her coach indicated that her talent "far exceeds any other woman" he worked with. There are explanations for the lack of outstanding results earlier (summarized in Gaults article). 2. Don't know. Has someone tabulated the data? Must go through "process of elimination" to arrive at the conclusion that the shoes did not contribute significantly to the performance. 3. I expect Gault/Letsrun will elaborate as needed in future articles. Regarding the effects of clandestine dope that nobody knows about, this is one of the "unknown unknowns" (per the lingo of the late Don Rumsfeld). Dan Rather would say: "If frogs had pockets they'd carry guns."
100k women's to men WR- 7.5% Various distances aren't always equal between the two sexes, but it is possible women can come within 10% of men's WR. 3:26 1500 is a 3:46.6 for women. 1500 equals a 3:42.48 mile. Won't be long before we see a 4:04.73 mile from women. 10% in the marathon now, 2:11:53 women = 1:59:53 men. Half marathon would be 57 and 62:42 Very close. Radcliff's WR in April 2003 of 2:15:25 was only +7.78% compared to the men's WR at the time. I suspect in a year or two men will be close to 1:59 in a marathon.
Reflecting on that crazy time she set today.. might it just be the supershoe conversion of Radcliffe 2003 time of 2:15.15..?
The men's record in April 2003 when Paula did that run was Khalid's 2:05.38 and was lowered later that year to 2:04.55 by Tergat. Supershoes have knocked 3:45-4:15 off the men's record in that time. This time is 3:20 faster than Paula's.
It's a crazy time that naturally would make you doubt what you're seeing, but no crazier than Radcliffe.
Emil Zatopek won the 1952 Olympic Marathon in a time of 2:23:03 according to the Olympics.com website. This was a new Olympic record by one of the greatest runners of all time.
Emily Sisson ran the 2022 Chicago Marathon in a time of 2:18:29.
Abebe Bikalia was running when they weren't even drinking water during the race. They didn't know squat about training compared to what they know now.
Also the 400 and 800 are the specific events that are the most dominated by doped athletes and intersex athletes, meaning that men have the biggest advantages in those races. Still, there are outliers in the sprints, where Shericka Jackson has repeatedly broken Paul Layton's 200m WR from 1962. Marathons have always been much closer to parity. Women have been running 1950s men's WR times since the 90s, so it's no surprise that after two decades, they've beaten 1960s men's times. Yes, shoes, training, and possibly doping have improved, but you're imagining a world in which everything is static except for EPO (which has been around for quite a while and was much more difficult to detect 30 years ago).
So you haven't seen footage of runners in the Tokyo '64 marathon drinking water during the race.
Whether she’s doping or not, it’s still an incredible time. Given that she has destroyed known dopers. Credit where credit is due no way you can do that without a lot of hard work.
Has to be the shoes more than anything else.
She looked so easy all the way through. The pavers were telling her to slow down. We don't know if she juiced but the shoes are brought the magic today.
Shoes might’ve had something to do with it, but not “more than anything else. “. Sit on your couch, and do nothing except for doping, then throw on a pair of these new Adidas shoes and see how fast you run a marathon. The most important thing is the training and genetics for sure.
She looked so easy all the way through. The pavers were telling her to slow down. We don't know if she juiced but the shoes are brought the magic today.
Shoes might’ve had something to do with it, but not “more than anything else. “. Sit on your couch, and do nothing except for doping, then throw on a pair of these new Adidas shoes and see how fast you run a marathon. The most important thing is the training and genetics for sure.
Sorry. To clarify, I meant all other things being equal - the shoes are the difference. I was infering that it's not the juice.
She looked so easy all the way through. The pavers were telling her to slow down. We don't know if she juiced but the shoes are brought the magic today.
Shoes might’ve had something to do with it, but not “more than anything else. “. Sit on your couch, and do nothing except for doping, then throw on a pair of these new Adidas shoes and see how fast you run a marathon. The most important thing is the training and genetics for sure.
Agreed, and as others have pointed out, there were at least three other Adidas athletes wearing the new shoes, and they did not run extraordinary times. The only big difference in the shoes is the lower weight. If weight was the main factor in the shoes, we should all go back to Nike Eagles or some other stripped down minimal shoe.
It's an absurdity, basically 5 min mile pace, a time that would defeat many top men in various countries. It would be like Kipyegon running a 3:40 1500 or 3:58 mile. It makes a joke out of elite running, which is already screwed up.
I think prime Kipchoge could go sub 2:01 easily, even last year if he didn't try for Sub 2 he probably was good for 2:00:45 or so. Given where others are (a washed Bekele ran 2:01:41, and Kiptum at 2:01:25) I honestly think his record is probably soft. If Kiptum doesn't break it in the next 2-3 years, once Cheptegei and Kiplimo focus on it the record will easily go down.
I think prime Kipchoge could go sub 2:01 easily, even last year if he didn't try for Sub 2 he probably was good for 2:00:45 or so. Given where others are (a washed Bekele ran 2:01:41, and Kiptum at 2:01:25) I honestly think his record is probably soft. If Kiptum doesn't break it in the next 2-3 years, once Cheptegei and Kiplimo focus on it the record will easily go down.
I'm on board with that. Cheptegei and Kiplimo have had, and have, better shorter event success than Kipchoge. I anticipate the translation to the marathon to work out quite well.
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