So is everyone that’s running faster than you did a better runner?
Of course. Why is the obvious so hard to accept?
Really?
- 8:20 steepler with today's shoes on today's track is better than you ever were? - 3:57 miler with today's shoes on today's track is better than Bannister ever was?
- 13:04 5k guy with today's shoes on today's track is better than Rono ever was?
I get being intentionally obtuse for the sake of argument. But, that strategy has its limits.
- 8:20 steepler with today's shoes on today's track is better than you ever were? - 3:57 miler with today's shoes on today's track is better than Bannister ever was?
- 13:04 5k guy with today's shoes on today's track is better than Rono ever was?
I get being intentionally obtuse for the sake of argument. But, that strategy has its limits.
1. 8:20 was nowhere near my potential. A torn plantar fascia put and end to my steeplechase ambitions.
2. Rono wasn't limited by equipment or tracks. Ronos limits were set by his alcoholism..
- 8:20 steepler with today's shoes on today's track is better than you ever were? - 3:57 miler with today's shoes on today's track is better than Bannister ever was?
- 13:04 5k guy with today's shoes on today's track is better than Rono ever was?
I get being intentionally obtuse for the sake of argument. But, that strategy has its limits.
1. 8:20 was nowhere near my potential. A torn plantar fascia put and end to my steeplechase ambitions.
2. Rono wasn't limited by equipment or tracks. Ronos limits were set by his alcoholism..
You're struggling to prove a non point of fact.
Your ego has you struggling to backup your original assertion.
When are you physics-class dropouts gonna figure out the shoes are cover for you-know-what?
As long as you think it's the shoes, you won't talk about you-know-what.
Bouncy shoes can not make you run faster. Physically it has nothing to do with running pace. All that really matters is your feet match your pace in the other direction when they hit the ground, and apply minimal braking force.
Of the lesser of two evils, it's easier to blame the shoes than "you-know-what", because to acknowledge it's mostly the latter strips the facade away and shows the "sport" for what it is.
exactly, and that's why it's like pro wrestling. Except pro wrestling fans know they're pretending. So many track fans are genuinely delusional, this "it's the shoes" stuff proves it.
Brilliant marketing though. Best ad campaign ever.
- 8:20 steepler with today's shoes on today's track is better than you ever were? - 3:57 miler with today's shoes on today's track is better than Bannister ever was?
- 13:04 5k guy with today's shoes on today's track is better than Rono ever was?
I get being intentionally obtuse for the sake of argument. But, that strategy has its limits.
1. 8:20 was nowhere near my potential. A torn plantar fascia put and end to my steeplechase ambitions.
2. Rono wasn't limited by equipment or tracks. Ronos limits were set by his alcoholism..
You're struggling to prove a non point of fact.
I guess my point is faster and better aren't synonymous. Better is subjective, you've proved that with your response.
Wrs were being shattered in all men's distances from 1995-2007
I was not born then but I do not remember hearing anything like this back then. We have an amazing stage so let's enjoy it for the next decade or so. Hopefully the sport will gain popularity. This is reminiscent of the Messi Ronaldo era of football.
When are you physics-class dropouts gonna figure out the shoes are cover for you-know-what?
As long as you think it's the shoes, you won't talk about you-know-what.
Bouncy shoes can not make you run faster. Physically it has nothing to do with running pace. All that really matters is your feet match your pace in the other direction when they hit the ground, and apply minimal braking force.
Of the lesser of two evils, it's easier to blame the shoes than "you-know-what", because to acknowledge it's mostly the latter strips the facade away and shows the "sport" for what it is.
At least we know that dopers arent taking medals from clean athletes,heehee.Theres no such thing as clean at that level.
They are absolutely not worth one second per lap. not for elite runners anyway.
If you genuinely consider the recovery the shoes allow so more work can be done AND the fact that allow for faster running, combined with pace lighting (and harder surfaces) they are worth one second per lap. For just racing, I believe one Nick Willis said they were worth 0.6 sec per lap. He would know.
- 8:20 steepler with today's shoes on today's track is better than you ever were? - 3:57 miler with today's shoes on today's track is better than Bannister ever was?
- 13:04 5k guy with today's shoes on today's track is better than Rono ever was?
I get being intentionally obtuse for the sake of argument. But, that strategy has its limits.
1. 8:20 was nowhere near my potential. A torn plantar fascia put and end to my steeplechase ambitions.
2. Rono wasn't limited by equipment or tracks. Ronos limits were set by his alcoholism..
You're struggling to prove a non point of fact.
You would be a 8:13 guy today w just the technological gains alone.
I agree, we probably never saw the best of what Rono was capable.
If you genuinely consider the recovery the shoes allow so more work can be done AND the fact that allow for faster running, combined with pace lighting (and harder surfaces) they are worth one second per lap. For just racing, I believe one Nick Willis said they were worth 0.6 sec per lap. He would know.
he is a sample size of one. he wouldn't know.
Ok, dude, I know plenty of high school coaches and athletes who all concur. They are all getting the shoes for a reason, because it’s an uneven playing field without them. Even if you’re only willing to concede 0.5 sec per lap. Which is fine.
Willis was the first PRO to verbalize that the shoes were a gamechanger, which they are. I used to live in CO, and everyone knows Liberty Bell is just a faster course than ALL of the other cross country courses. 30 sec PRs are commonplace for all athletes. It’s like coming on here and saying that Liberty Bell isn’t faster, it’s just psychological, and pretending that athletes are capable of running just as fast anywhere else in CO.
Training is better today, but so is the technology. Which has essentially leveled the playing field with whatever actual doping and EPOing was going on in the 90s.
Now the Letsrun gurus are upset because there are too many world records. Better shoes, better tracks, better poles, better everything. I know.. Let's go back to cinder tracks, the type of spikes that Jesse Owens used to run in, the old Nike Waffle shoes. Can't you just enjoy track and field for what it is now. Sports evolve all the time usually for the better. Swimmers shave off extraneous hair, bikers have different bikes for different rides and all of their bikes are carbon fiber. Super shoes are just the latest in a long line of changes in track. Mondo tracks make you faster, Do we get rid of them too?
Now the Letsrun gurus are upset because there are too many world records. Better shoes, better tracks, better poles, better everything. I know.. Let's go back to cinder tracks, the type of spikes that Jesse Owens used to run in, the old Nike Waffle shoes. Can't you just enjoy track and field for what it is now. Sports evolve all the time usually for the better. Swimmers shave off extraneous hair, bikers have different bikes for different rides and all of their bikes are carbon fiber. Super shoes are just the latest in a long line of changes in track. Mondo tracks make you faster, Do we get rid of them too?
I, for one, am fine not going back. The cat is out of the bag. If nothing else, it just gets us back to equalizing the EPO records from the 90s. But let’s not pretend the leap in technology hasn’t been incredible.
Hey geniuses, how do you explain Duplantis? Doping? Shoes? Cheater poles? Maybe he should still be using bamboo and landing in a sand pit and the WR could still be 13ft? Yay.
I don't follow pole vault, but doping could help a vaulter sure. Athletes in pretty much every pro sport.
Some folks feel it’s a mockery of the sport. Every other week a world record being set.
Personally, I don't really care about technology until the women's shot put record starts getting touched. Chase Ealey set a new American record this past weekend that ends up being the #345th throw all-time. Still something like 2m off the actual WR.
When that starts getting touched, then we have an issue because all those throws ahead of her were obviously doped to a hilarious extent.
I'm not sure why that event isn't discussed more. By far the most doped event, even worse than stuff like the 10.49 or the long jump. I guess it's just because it's the women's shot put.
Some folks feel it’s a mockery of the sport. Every other week a world record being set.
The doping is worse than at any time in history.Some people say its technology,or spikes,or tracks,or even humans evolving(um.....no) but i say its hard core systemic doping.
You say that and you are wrong because you are dumb.
yes, yes yes yes yes to all of them. we need to usher in 1896 again and recite the Olympic charter and its ideals again. we need to go back to basic, just the air and the earth/ground for subsistence and nothing else. i'm fine with women doing sport as not quite the case in 1896 but the main thing is we need spanking clean morals. all these advances in technology is just immoral like a 'slippery slope'. if we continue on this trajectory one day you will be forced to accept that wingsuit technology be part of T&F! runners would just be levitating the whole race wouldn't it and the outcome a complete farce! think about it. the line must be drawn at 1896!
no one was saying this during the hot, no-pacer world championships, when a lot of the races past 1 lap were run slow and match style, and people were getting eliminated on a kick finish. we're saying this the one time people seem to take the DL final seriously with pacers meeting a world final style start list.