Eugene DL Final…3k WR attempt?

Jakob may be able to break Komen's record but just barely. If Komen had the kangaroo shoes, the wave lights and competition he would have run 7:15.

As of 2017 the winner of the DL final is the DL champion

Ethiopian 5K runners go home devastated. No way they can beat a bunch of 1500 runners in a shorter race when they still got smoked in a longer race at worlds by those same runners.

My guess is that he is going to go for it in the mile. If he gets it, great, but if not he wants to use the weekend for another WR shot in the 3 km. It's presumably the last race of his season, so there's nothing really to lose unless he tweaks something. Running a fast mile the day before will take a little out of him the next day, but nothing that would prevent him from PRing and at Jakob's level that may be enough for a WR. The main factor in the 3 km. might be the temps, which I don't see having a significant effect on the mile.

Both. The 1 mile WR is worth about 3:26.6 for 1500m, give or take a few tenths. The mile is obviously slightly longer, making the record easier for a strength runner like Ingebrigtsen.

Have any of you raced with a wave light before? Honestly it’s more for spectators and pacers than runners. Literally raced an 800 this year with them in Oregon and never noticed them.

Interesting. The only possible logic is

1) He wants to run a double and that double is the mile/3000m - so Cap, as he should, simply agreed to it. Even though he is the World Champ in the 5000m, I think a DL style (paced) 3000m is less taxing for him to win than the DL style 5000m. I'm also assuming here that he just wants to win both events and doesn't care about WRs.

2) They have switched it to a 3000m because he has said he wants to go after the WR. Does he late scratch from the mile? Does he try and coast the mile with as little energy as possible and save himself for the 3?

Honestly the talk of 2 WR attempts I won't say is ridiculous, but seems highly unlikely. Yeah he's awesome and in great shape but if he was to break the mile and 3000m records on consecutive days it goes down as the greatest athletic feat the sport has ever seen by some margin. I just can't see how that happens. They are still world records and damn tough ones. The other reason it's not happening is Prefontaine continues to be handcuffed by European live TV, so the mile is at 1.50pm on Saturday with the weather forecast being no clouds and 88 degrees, and the 3000m at 1.17pm on Sunday with the forecast being no clouds and 84 degrees.

If he scratches the mile I will believe that a 3000m shot is possible. If he lines up for the mile I think he just will try and win both events and take the $$$ and the diamonds.

Guess it's just coincidence then that all WR's that have been set in the wavelight era have had remarkably even splits for 80-90% of the distance, and those splits just happened to line up with the lights going around the track. So when Jakob asked for 57.0 second laps in his 2000m record and he crossed 1600m in 3.48.0 perfectly in sync with the front of the yellow lights, that was just pure coincidence. Same with Cheptegei in the 5/10 records, Kipyegon in all of hers? Yeah okay.

Quick question in your 800 with WL experience - was it you that they set the pace of the lights for? Were you the athlete that requested a certain pace and they set it for you? Go watch a WL paced race and look at 75% of the field - they can't see the lights either. That's because 75% of the field aren't looking to run (lets use the recent 2000m as an example) 57.0 per lap mate - so no, they won't notice them either. Like why would you even post this without thinking first? Why.

Well, sure, if you 50 meters off the back you aren't going to notice them..

I really hate this. It seems like it's just made up on the fly. The Diamond League is incredible because of the athletes, but on an organisational level it's completely tinpot. Non-existent production values, possibly the worst website I've ever come across. A bunch of local meets that are less transparent that the Vatican about who gets in, and then above it Nike can just decide who gets to race in the final and can alter the programme to fit their star athletes.

I say this as someone who loves Jakob but NO WAY should there not be a 5000 final. Athletes have been turning up for 5000s all season and then to find out that the equivalent race will be one that is seemingly picked to suit possibly the best ever runner at that distance? I'd be livid if I was one of them.

I'm sort of with you on this one. It is a big shift - obvious who it's for an and who controls it (the swooooooosh).

But hey, at least it's not a sh-tty and farcical 5000m run on a janky street loop with an uneven track and 8 sides to it - the dumbest idea the DL/WA ever had.

From todays interview with Norwegian press:

- Could you set a world record for 5,000 in the shape you are in now?
- Yes I believe. But I don't think I'm quite ready to make it a priority. It's about getting it right, and what I need to do in training, as well as finding the perfect race. You can't do everything at the same time, he says. And continues:
- Right now the focus is on 1500 meters and mile, perhaps. I can try a 3000 meters next year. When I'm happy with that, I might try 5000 and the longer distances.

anyone else have thoughts/experience on this? very curious about their actual impact.

I saw some old film of Ryun racing indoor and they used a light to pace. I thought it was considered illegal for record purposes (the race was after he went pro, I think), but maybe just assumed that. Does anyone know if light pacers were against the rules but were later allowed?

Yes. I'd say 7:19 sounds about right, provided he has a good day. Sounds like he is looking at the mile this year and the 3000 in 2024. Mile is clearly not his best distance but I imagine he can get under 3:44.00. I expect Jake to be getting tired this late in the season. Hoping he has another race in him.

They're not hard to see and if you're actually going for a specific pace they're quite useful, but having a real pacer to follow as well is definitely better (provided they actually stick to the pace and don't drop too soon) and then you've got the lights for the end.

But that said, 99% of the time don't really care about pace in a race - so I can see why most wouldn't notice.

Right - of course a real pacer is better but you pointed out the issue - that pacer has the same predicament you do without wavelight - not just running the split but doing it evenly.

A pacer can be asked to run 1.50.0 for 800m in a 1500m - well there are clearly many ways to get there. They can go out in around 54 seconds flat and do it comfortably - but is that what is best for the field? We used to see this regularly in the El G era - ballistic opening laps, followed by a "settling in lap" which was usually 1.5-2 seconds slower and then having to speed up again in the 3rd. Incredibly inefficient and not the way to run as fast as you can.

I just don't know how much more evidence we need that even paced running, right at/slightly above the anaerobic threshold is the way to run as fast as you possibly can for any distance above 800m, with the longer the distance, the greater the importance.

Have we forgotten Jeptegei in his 5000m and 10000m WR's?

The 5000m >

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Joshua Cheptegei Runs 12:35.36 To Break 5,000-Meter World Record in Monaco

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Kenenisa Bekele is no longer the king of the 5000m

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"Cheptegei’s lap splits were a thing of beauty: 60.70, 61.70, 60.64, 60.41, 61.25, 60.91, 60.03, 60.10, 60.18, 60.33, 59.97, and 59.64 (the 12 splits are starting after the first 200 and are for the leader so the first few are for the rabbit)."

"Cheptegei's 10000m world record splits:
1000m splits = 2:39, 2:37, 2:37, 2:37 2:38, 2:37, 2:37, 2:37, 2:37, 2:34.
Cheptegei's 400m splits from twitter:
63.6 62.9 63.1 63.1 62.7
63.1 63.1 62.7 62.5 63.3
63.0 63.0 63.1 62.9 62.96
62.92 62.59 62.92 63.02 62.97
62.94 62.92 63.2 62.4 60.08"

To summarize that 10000m - thats 23 laps (omitting the first and last) between 62.6 and 63.1 seconds!!!! Look at his middle 8 1km splits - there is a second variation at max(?!) No human can do that on their own without real-time assistance - not a pacemaker or an runner going for a time.

I just alluded to the recent 2000m record - Jakob wanted 57.0 seconds a lap because he and his camp know/have figured out that he can run 1600m at that speed without crossing his anaerobic threshold and it will still leave him enough capacity to run well under that pace for another 400m. What happened in the race? Jakobs splits (clearly seen from the race video):

57.1, 1.54.0 (56.9), 2.50.9 (56.9), 3.48.0 (57.1), 55.1

And he does this because he (again visibly from the video), runs with the second yellow light right next to him for 1600m - that's not a coincidence.

The clinical execution by Jakob does make me wonder about the potential of the second placer Reynold Cheruiyot. He’s a similar personality to Jakob in terms of being blunt/honest about his results. He said in this 2k, it was far from a perfect race for him. I kinda scoffed at that considering he got 2nd in a DL, but he actually laid out quite a good case. He ran conservatively early because he needed a 4th-5th place finish for DL points. From there it became tactical for him as he had to make his way through the field as guys like Tanner, Romo and Kipsang eventually slowed. Once he was in qualification position, it seemed he held back until the last 100 to easily beat McSweyn and get his maximal placing. So his splits were much more all over the place as opposed to Jakob just spitting out 57.0 splits until he kicked. He’s raced a lot but will be cool to see if he lets loose either at Pre/the Road mile champs because I think there’s a lot of talent there. Ditto Laros who I hope runs both.

For 5k/10k sure great maybe it helps psychologically.

i don’t think it helps as much as you think because after the pacer drops out you’re still doing all the work. It by no means makes anything easier. My post even said if anything it HELPS the pacer know they aren’t too fast or too slow but for the athlete at least in MY EXPERIENCE it did not help. The lights were set to 1:44 pace.

In this race I was at the front and never noticed them once again could just be me but I personally don’t think it helps.

why is it that on these boards your damned if you don’t agree with the majority? Do you really think these athletes don’t get these world records without lights? Seems like a really lame cop out.