Slowest 400 time for a sub 2 800 that you personally know?

Probably so. Its not going to happen now though!

Those with 57s times have run 400m poorly. My teammate who runs long distances tried 400m at race. He went out 100% and died after 250m. Run barely under 60s. Later in training with better pacing he ran 58 flat. In 800m he probably could run just around 2:10. 10k pb for him is mid 33.

In order to get 800m 2min, runner with great endurance need 400m under 56.

the only thing i've learned from this thread is that the 800 is a MYSTERY

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No. That is bad coaching if you can't get a 57 guy with great endurance to break 2. I have done it multiple times.

Sure you have

So you are trying to tell us that some can’t run faster than one 400m in under 57s

but can slow down to a 59 and run that twice the distance?

Question. Peter Snell won the Olympic 800 twice with a pr of 1:44. His coach was Lydiard. Lydiard insisted on 100 mile weeks. Has anyone on the world class level had success without hitting 100 mile weeks for the 800? Rudisha? Kipketer? Coe? Or do all of them run 100 miles per week or more? Thank you for any information.

More probable is that You are bad couch as You can't get them to below 57s

57s 400m is average time for woman

I ran 1:59.7 and 4:01 for 1500m. I’m not sure I could have run under 57, although I think I ran ~26 for 200m. But I ran under 30:00 for six miles and under 31:00 for 10k. But like most distance guys the 400 was doubtless a lousy effort.

This kid is obviously the greatest pure hate runner of all time.

Where You ran 200m time? Race when fresh or end of training session?

Middle of a track workout

Another proof why You shouldn't trust distance runner speed claims. They don't run sprints well rested at races.

You probably were sub 25.5 200m and around 55 400m

I don't buy it.

57.0 and 1:59.9 would mean that it is bad coaching when you don't get a 48.0 runner go 1:40.97. It's just not realistic.

Yeah.

I know 15 year old who trains like crazy, runs over 80mpw. He ran 3:55 1500m and 54.50 400m. With that endurance he managed 1:58 800m.

Another boy one ran 90-100mpw. He could run 57-58s 400m and in 800m races he just managed 2:10. Now year later, he ran 2:03, but haven't tested himself on 400m. 3000m time of 8:48

Another example. 30 year old long distance runner. 80-100mpw. HM pb 1:09.30, 10k 31:30, 3000m 8:52 and 1500m 4:06.

He then started to train shorter distances to gain speed.

First 400m race time was 55.10 and 800m just 2:05. Now he managed 53.19 and 800 just barely under 2. 1:59.90

Nice examples. I believe you but you don't seem to believe that I have coached several guys to 57/1:59. Seth Hirsch claims that he can barely break 60 on the fly yet ran 7:59 for 3000 which is 2:0x back to back to back to back for 800.

My 1st 880 ran as a jr in hs 54 for the first lap, finished with an 80 for a blistering 2:14