i didn't do any calculations, but just looking at the distances and times, I estimate he ran a faster average pace than 7 guys in front of him, putting him in 6th...He passes Spencer, Garcia, Tanner, Habz, McSweyn, Stonier, and Giles
Nuguse, Nordas Gourley, Mechaal, and Timothy hold.
This is some of the highest level of cope that I've ever seen. Nice work. Just to clarify, this isn't Parkrun, you don't get an age-grading or any other time adjustment. It's gun to tape.
He was 13th in the race and is the 26th fastest guy in the world this year. Those are your facts.
I think everyone understands that. I believe a human brain can be capable of fully accepting Hocker placed 13th in a time of 3:32.14, while still entertaining the novel statistical nuggets made possible by those questionable “distance run” figures. Ultimately we know they don’t change the outcome and nobody deserves credit based on running extra meters, but they do support the harmless observation that Hocker ran a poor tactical race that must have impacted his result.
Weird argument on this thread between posters just trying to say “He botched the tactics and still ran 3:32.14, not the end of the world,” and guys sneering back “Are you delusional?—he’ll never be the best in the world AND HE TOTALLY SUCKS!”
This is some of the highest level of cope that I've ever seen. Nice work. Just to clarify, this isn't Parkrun, you don't get an age-grading or any other time adjustment. It's gun to tape.
He was 13th in the race and is the 26th fastest guy in the world this year. Those are your facts.
Weird argument on this thread between posters just trying to say “He botched the tactics and still ran 3:32.14, not the end of the world,” and guys sneering back “Are you delusional?—he’ll never be the best in the world AND HE TOTALLY SUCKS!”
Well Coal currently sits 26th in the world for this year. Just in front of Hoobs and Copper.
I'm not certain everyone does understand that, especially when someone is arguing that with one simple trick, Hocker really finished 6th yesterday.
My view is that London will be his very best day this season, and that's OK. This will still be a season of good progress for him and something to build on for Paris.
Looks like the average distance run in that race was @ 1,510 meters. Two guys were right around, 1500 meters. Nuguse was over 1,510 meters. Tim C ran more meters than Hocker
I think everyone understands that. I believe a human brain can be capable of fully accepting Hocker placed 13th in a time of 3:32.14, while still entertaining the novel statistical nuggets made possible by those questionable “distance run” figures.
Why do you think the distance run figures are questionable?
Hocker confirmed on Instagram that this wasn't his best day. No excuses from him. None needed from us. Let him pony up in a month with more specific training, no international jet lag and a championship on the line.
Hocker confirmed on Instagram that this wasn't his best day. No excuses from him. None needed from us. Let him pony up in a month with more specific training, no international jet lag and a championship on the line.
Hocker confirmed on Instagram that this wasn't his best day. No excuses from him. None needed from us. Let him pony up in a month with more specific training, no international jet lag and a championship on the line.
It was a season's best from him. He is clearly a top 3, 1500m runner in the USA. He would of smoked the rest of the LA runners this weekend who lost to a 3:34 from Eric Holt.
I love how there is an upvoted post in this thread that states a guy that ran 3:32 is more a "3:34 guy on a typical day"
WTF is that supposed to mean? People just post complete nonsense here.
It's pretty straightforward. It means that athletes run a range of times across a season and the time that they run on their very best day (or their very worst day) is not representative of what they will run most of the time.
It's pretty straightforward. It means that athletes run a range of times across a season and the time that they run on their very best day (or their very worst day) is not representative of what they will run most of the time.
He ran 3:34 off of about 5 weeks training at PTF. He just ran close to 3:32 flat running tactically awfully. It’s weird to say he’s a 3:34 guy unless you think his base state is running either completely undertrained or in lane 3 when fit. It is fair to say being a 3:31-32 guy in this era gets you nothing, though. For those who believe in Hocker, it’s in his top-end speed (12.2 in a 3:35 race) and shifting abilities (seen in the Tokyo rounds). But if he is to succeed in this era he needs to get to 3:29 fitness and finish like he did in 2021.
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It's pretty straightforward. It means that athletes run a range of times across a season and the time that they run on their very best day (or their very worst day) is not representative of what they will run most of the time.
He ran 3:34 off of about 5 weeks training at PTF. He just ran close to 3:32 flat running tactically awfully. It’s weird to say he’s a 3:34 guy unless you think his base state is running either completely undertrained or in lane 3 when fit. It is fair to say being a 3:31-32 guy in this era gets you nothing, though. For those who believe in Hocker, it’s in his top-end speed (12.2 in a 3:35 race) and shifting abilities (seen in the Tokyo rounds). But if he is to succeed in this era he needs to get to 3:29 fitness and finish like he did in 2021.
Never before has a 13th place finisher been analyzed this much.
It's pretty straightforward. It means that athletes run a range of times across a season and the time that they run on their very best day (or their very worst day) is not representative of what they will run most of the time.
He ran 3:34 off of about 5 weeks training at PTF. He just ran close to 3:32 flat running tactically awfully. It’s weird to say he’s a 3:34 guy unless you think his base state is running either completely undertrained or in lane 3 when fit. It is fair to say being a 3:31-32 guy in this era gets you nothing, though. For those who believe in Hocker, it’s in his top-end speed (12.2 in a 3:35 race) and shifting abilities (seen in the Tokyo rounds). But if he is to succeed in this era he needs to get to 3:29 fitness and finish like he did in 2021.
It's weird to say he's a 3:31 guy when it's a time he's run once in his career, two years ago
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