NCAA programs that buy foreign athletes for easy success.

Should have proofread this but oh well. I contacted 1000s of spell checkers and none were interested!

If your kids want athletic scholarships, and have run between 4:55-5:05 then they need to not reach out to P5 schools, get over the hype and reach out to great Mid-Majors and have a great affordable experience and yes likely improve MORE than being an expendable walk-on at a P5. This is the prime example why coaches go get internationals.

One is a rising senior. She is a 4.0 with a 30 or 31 ACT.

I would say that we have a great reputation. Many of our girls have gotten nice scholarships. But 5 minutes doesn't line up with the others in sprints and jumps and hurdles who have gotten scholarships. Our teams do well and our distance runners know many of the national elites since our team has hone to NXN in the past. So they have also confirmed that what they are seeing is inline with peers.

Well make sure she ACTUALLY contacts several schools because she'll be offered some scholarship at most schools. She will. I coach at a pretty successful power 5 and we would. However, their coach is a major red flag. Starting to see the full picture here...

I coached a HS girl who ran about 5min for the mile (but also an reasonable 800m) . She got a full ride to a good school,, but not necessarily a great program. Comes down to priorities. Too many American athletes, parents and HS coaches think the athletes deserve the best (top school, good scholarship and development). That simply isn't always or even often possible.

The foreign athletes (while expecting not to pay much) don't have this bias toward "good" schools , often because they can't get in to the better schools in their own countries (even if they don't have to pay) and so an education in the US is fine without the mindset of Stanford/Ivy/ P5 or nothing. I know a coach in a backwater State who is reduced to taking in-state or Canadians ( a few from elsewhere foreign) where out of state simply won't go, regardless of the offer. It is almost as if the mindset is you can't get a job if you don't go to Stanford. A girl I coached went to this college and is now a well-respected doctor - that is all that is required for 90% of people. But too many think they have to be amongst the top 10%. Personally I think the American educational system is woefully inadequate anyway - poorly developed apprentice programs and far too many over-educated (and in debt due to tuition expenses) people stuck in remedial employment that didn't need the level of education in the first place.

If a state funded college gives a scholarship to anyone, US citizen or foreigner, the money does not come from money the state and its taxpayers gave the school. The money comes from non tax related sources, athletic revenues, student fees, donations, etc.

No you didn't unless it was 40 years ago. I have been in the business for a long time and I can tell you that in today's world, a typical 2:18/5:00/11:00/19:00 girl gets no scholarship anywhere and is lucky if a Power 5 allows her to walk-on. There are some here who seem to think that worse programs give larger scholarships to slower runners. That isn't how it works. There are tens of thousands of high school runners looking for scholarships and roster spots but there are only thousands of those. Supply and demand has a way of leveling things out.

Illinois will become a foreign athlete outpost as well

Can someone name the NCAA Cross Country teams that have gotten a trophy with no foreign athletes in the last 3 years?

This^^^^

Didn't see anyone mention 2:18/5:00/11:00.. (no one cares about XC times when recruiting).

The coach in question said sub 5... no offers... had to walk on...

Sorry, I'm with 'It is time" on this one. I could name 5 schools in my area alone who would give a sub 5 athlete some money... a sub 5 athlete, assuming it wasn't done as a freshman and is now running 5:15... can get some scholarship help and doesn't have to walk on at 'big name' university.

Very curious why this is allowed to be posted about Palmer, I’ve never heard anything about this in coaching circles (source: I’m a D1 distance coach with athletes at the national level). However, when I’ve seen posts about the very well-known NCAA investigation into NCAA Brosnan’s illegal recruiting at UCLA involving messaging athletes not on the transfer portal to get them to run for him, those get deleted within the hour. Let’s see how long this one stays up…

lol, this is the most true thing ever posted on this website. those who don’t know don’t get it, but this is the reality. the real problem is how many Americans scoff at perfectly good opportunities, and think they’re worth more than they are. so I’m left with no choice but to sign a far superior international athlete for the same money…

Only a few months or so and the same type of posts come up as they have for a long time on this topic.

Foreign athletes are in all NCAA sports. Having the opportunity for a free university education while playing your chosen sport is unique to the American system.

Now days most universities look for the best 17-18 year old athletes that are out there and that are going to help their program no matter where they are from.

What I am curious about is how some athletes get accepted with the stringent NCAA academic requirements.

Once schools start having a few foreign athletes and they see what they are getting for sure they want more of them. Remember when Ollie Hoare ran at Wisconsin? Now they have Spencer and Jackson who are both Aussies.

In my opinion junior development in Australia is far superior to what you get in the states.

By the way I met the Florida coach at Aarhus WXC in 2019 and he seemed like a good guy.

No one is saying having a Kenyan or other international athletes is illegal. They are saying Will Palmer and Alabama and no Florida had an and now has a 30 + year old with a 8 year old son running for him. Having fake papers to run at 30+ in the NCAA is wrong.

So lobby to have the rules changed instead of lambasting coaches following the rules.

The NCAA does not allow someone 30 years old to compete in DI.

So how is it happening?

You mean Arkan-sauce?