it's been fun to watch all three member of "Empire Elite" hype up their one relevant member on this thread
Our intern was on hand to watch the workout and has written a great feature on Holt.
https://www.letsrun.com/news/2...
Rojo may have wishes he'd read that before he totally discounted Holt's chances in his 1500 preview:
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Dirtrunner wrote:
Eric Holt posted a big workout to his strava
The splits are very impressive, but he did have a ton of rest and those "flush 400s" really don't seem fast or taxing. Honestly seems like a series of time trials with some steady running in between. Still, definitely a Darkhorse to make the team if the 1500 at USAs turns tactical.
sir that's literally what a workout is.
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Honestly I think Empire Elite has more athletes in USA's then most "track clubs" right now not gonna lie.
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No chance against Nugese, Hobbs, Teare or Hocker.
He can post on social media all he likes, if you're not in 3:30 shape, you're not making the cut for a team, or a sponsor. America is deep in the 1500, if you're running a 3:37, even a 3:33. Your goose is cooked. Cool Strava post tho.
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my two pennies wrote:
Jgt11 wrote:
Seems the workout was
2:51.3, rest 5-6 minutes,3 x 400m in 72-76 with 1 min rest, rest 5-6 minutes2:19.4 , rest 5-6 minutes,3 x 400m in 72-76 with 1 min rest, rest 5-6 minutes
1:18.6, rest 5-6 minutes, 3x 400m in 72-76 with 1 min rest, rest 5-6 minutes
49.1, rest 5-6 minutes, 3x 400m in 72-76 with 1 min rest, rest 5-6 minutes
The flush 400m are a good way to keep the body moving and warm within those long rests, they didn't make it any harder.
The way I interpreted it was only one 5-6 minute rest between each big rep, right afterwards, then the 400s with 1 minute. After the last quarter, 1 minute rest into the next big rep. Could be wrong though.
Centrowitz commented “3:32 🔜” which I think is a fair assessment. Doesn’t necessarily show he’s in better shape than Teare, Hocker or Kessler, but definitely puts him in the same league.
For the record, his close may have only been ~54 in that 3:37 race but he won by a full second and looked good doing it. He’s also a very consistent runner who works out pretty hard regularly, so I doubt he’ll have any issues recovering in a week and a half.
I agree -- it was also super humid that day. He pulled away & won comfortably. It's important for athletes trying to take the next big jump to learn how to win in different race settings because at USAs that might mean timing out a 3rd place finish versus 4th.
I don't know how much this one workout moves the needle but he's fit and has a chance to make the team. I like Eric a lot. His post race interview was fantastic in NY. They wanted to cut the mic but he just kept on going & has a good story about sticking around in the sport. I'm rooting for him.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Incred wrote:
That’s not a ton of rest.
He ran 1200m at 3:34 pace — big PR pace.
Took 5 min & then did 3 400s.
He ran 1000m at 1:51 pace and actually did PR.
Took 5 min & then did 3 400s.
He ran 600m at 52 second pace.
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5 min and then active rest after what are essentially time trials is peanuts for rest.
I think people are misinterpreting the rest. He did this:
1200, 6’ rest, 3x 400 with 1’ rest, 6’ rest, 1000, 6’ rest, 3x 400 with 1’ rest, 6’ rest, 600, 6’ rest, 3x400 w/ 1’ rest, 6’ rest, 400. So we’re talking about 40’+ rest for 3200 very fast and hard work and 3600 of threshold pace.
He could have stuck with:
1200, 5 min rest, 400
That would have been plenty.
He also did 1k, 600 @ faster than race pace.
AND 3600 @ tempo pace.
That's 2 miles faster than race pace, Over 2 mile tempo.
Seems unnecessary this close to the championships.
If he has a history of coming up short in big meets he might want to dial workouts back.
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nyrunner7 wrote:
it's been fun to watch all three member of "Empire Elite" hype up their one relevant member on this thread
Report my response because you can’t handle the truth? Clown.
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Wildin wrote:
nyrunner7 wrote:
it's been fun to watch all three member of "Empire Elite" hype up their one relevant member on this thread
Report my response because you can’t handle the truth? Clown.
I'm just some hobbyjogger in my 30s struggling to break 19 in the local 5k. But I absolutely love the energy, determination, and passion ERIC HOLT brings to the sport. Stop assuming stuff you can't possibly prove.
Eric Holt The Bolt has basically lived The Athlete Special's story, but he was slower in college and is faster now. He has blossomed in his career by never giving up. Now he's a legitimate contender for a worlds team. He's realistically on the wrong side of the bubble, but stories like his are why you run the races to see what happens. I'm hoping for the best for him and I hope for goodness sakes someone gives him a real contract at some point.He's #26 in World Athletics' rankings for the 1500m. He's #5 in the USA using that same metric. He took 4th in last year's final. ERIC HOLT!!!
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Holt is clearly the fittest he's ever been and to his credit, he does really race hard. However, that hard/aggressive racing style isn't suited for championship racing against a stacked field. He'll likely make it out of the 1st round, but his flailing, wide arm racing is going to cook him in the rounds. To make the team and win big, you need to know how to tuck in and relax til the big kick.
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Dreamer or B Teamer? wrote:
No amount of huffing and puffing about his 4th place finish will change the fact that Holt is a B-Teamer.
In LA, his time would have gotten him 10th against the Big Boys. He lost to Keiran Lumb, by a second and a half. Was he "running for second"?
rojo is that you?
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choccymilklife wrote:
Dreamer or B Teamer? wrote:
No amount of huffing and puffing about his 4th place finish will change the fact that Holt is a B-Teamer.
In LA, his time would have gotten him 10th against the Big Boys. He lost to Keiran Lumb, by a second and a half. Was he "running for second"?
rojo is that you?
Srsly? Rojo?
You really know how to hurt a guy.
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Because he runs like a muscle bound rigor mortis robot?
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Incred wrote:
That’s not a ton of rest.
He ran 1200m at 3:34 pace — big PR pace.
Took 5 min & then did 3 400s.
He ran 1000m at 1:51 pace and actually did PR.
Took 5 min & then did 3 400s.
He ran 600m at 52 second pace.
…..
5 min and then active rest after what are essentially time trials is peanuts for rest.
I think people are misinterpreting the rest. He did this:
1200, 6’ rest, 3x 400 with 1’ rest, 6’ rest, 1000, 6’ rest, 3x 400 with 1’ rest, 6’ rest, 600, 6’ rest, 3x400 w/ 1’ rest, 6’ rest, 400. So we’re talking about 40’+ rest for 3200 very fast and hard work and 3600 of threshold pace.
You can see the recovery on strava if you check the workout details. Here’s the actual jist of the workout
.8 miles in 2:51
.25 miles in 5:57 (essentially walking rest)
.26 in 70
.05 in 70 (again just rest)
.25 in 73
.05 in 69
.25 in 71
.22 in 6:50
.66 in 2:19
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so yes you are correct just for everyone to know, it’s hard rep, 6 minutes rest, flush quarters, 6 minute rest, next hard rep. I previously had this wrong, I kind of underestimated just how damn fast Holt was on the hard parts. Either way still very impressive, all that rest just ensures all of the reps are very quality.
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I want Eric to place just because Rojo is a D1 level hater
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Our intern was on hand to watch the workout and has written a great feature on Holt.
I wish I'd read that before I totally discounted his chances in our 1500 preview:
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hcbingo44 wrote:
this makes Wilson Kipketer's 5 x 1000m in 2:18 with 5 mins rest seem more believable
This clearly shows that Kipketer left his races in workouts, and that's why he never did anything on the world stage.
Oh, wait...
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bloviating wrote:
Because he runs like a muscle bound rigor mortis robot?
Thats what happens when you are an ex golden gloves boxer
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Is Eric Holt by any chance the son of Steve Holt? If so, Job Bleuth would be his grandpa. Just saying.
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Consider his load: BLOWN. Eric Holt Goes Home Devastated!
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