Temp__Account wrote:
Keely Hodgkinson height 1.75m
Mary (I will go for at least 1.75m)
Spam website site as a source, congratulations!
KH is considerably lower than 175, we don't know her height.
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I didn't know it was a spam site but I was looking for the height of Mora in different site and didn't find any source.
I apologize for the link. (could not edit my post)
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SlowTuohy wrote:
Temp__Account wrote:
KH is considerably lower than 175, we don't know her height.
Mora is way taller than Kipyegon, there is a race between them last year in Kenya (youtube)
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007NotSoFast wrote:
007run wrote:
No way Faith gets her right now. Keely opened at 1:55.77. She's probably in sub 1:55 shape in the right race and she's always fast when it counts. Mu is the only one with a chance if she's even in shape these days.
If Faith trained for the 800 for 3 months, she would easily take Keely. Keely's strength lies in her determination. She is not the same talent level as Mu or Faith. Those two can do things without the same determination. Mu beat Keely last year off the couch while Keely was training and racing her pretty little azz off. Faith would have to work a little harder to train for an off event but her talent is next level and she would beat Keely easily.
This seems racist for some reason
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code5800 wrote:
Faith\'s unique levelll wrote:
When someone starts with "First of all..." !!
I have not made up anything.
For sure Juantorena and the others are completely irrelevant for the question. I just wanted to show you how extremely different athletes are.
Also completely irrelevant is a 800m defeat before the seasons 1500m peak.
I don't think Hodkinson will run sub 1:55.5, definitely not sub 1:55.0. Kipyegon could do it, but only with some concentration on the event, not at her current form.
Imagine making up a PB just to make someone look better. Couldn't be me.
Regardless. No 1500/5000 runner is gonna be as successful at the 800. She turns 30 next year.
These are the ages of the Top 10 fastest 800m Runners age when they peaked + Keely:
Jarmila Kratochvilova (1:53.28) age 32
Nadezhda Olizarenko (1:53.43) age 27
Pamela Jelimo (1:54.01) age 18
Caster Semenya (1:54.25) age 27
Ana Quirot (1:54.44) age 25
Olga Mineyeva (1:54.81) age 27
Tatyana Kazankina (1:54.94) age 24
Athing Mu (1:55.04) age 19
Doina Melinte (1:55.05) age 25
Maria Mutola (1:55.19) age 21
Keely Hodgkinson (1:55.77) age 21Average age is 24. Apart from Jarmila (who set the 400m World Record the same season and for many reasons, the soviet athletes shouldn't count). The rest are younger than 30. So I doubt a 1500/5000m WR Holder is gonna get the same speed.
I have not made up a PB, can you just accept that?
Kratochvilova was not a Soviet athlete. What's your point with those ages? Kipyegon is 29, you think this is too old? It was not too old to break the strongest distance WR on the women's side by a big margin and to also break another WR in an event she has not focused on.
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Sovietvest wrote:
douchebagsanonymous wrote:
A better question might be: Can Laure Muir run faster than Keely Hodgkinson?? Like Faith, if they trained for it, they would beat Keely. ....If Keely was cranking out sub-51 400s then it would be different but at 52.xx PR for 400, she is clearly a strength based 800 runner. Well if that's the case, Kipyegon and Muir both have more strength than Hodgkinson. It may even be the case that Muir and Kipyegon are faster over 400 meters too.
Any 800m female runner who can run 52.xx is 'speed based'. In other words, a 400/800 or pure 800-type (as opposed to a 8/15 type). In Keely's case based on what she did this weekend, she is most certainly a low 51 secs runner. I was at the UK U23/U20 Champs where she ran 52.2 and the wind for the 400s was horrible. Most women in the U23 final and all of the U20 heats that preceded it, were around a second outside their bests .
No way could either Muir or Kipyegon be faster 400 runners. Muir was running 55.3 when she was a 2:00 800m runner. Maybe she could have run 53.x when she running 1:56. As for Kipyegon - a 51 sec / 14:05 runner never existed.
Mary Slaney ran 52.77 in the 400. She was not a 400/800 type. Surely, Faith and Muir are faster at 400.
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SlowTuohy wrote:
Faith's unique levelll wrote:
I don't think Hodkinson will run sub 1:55.5, definitely not sub 1:55.0. Kipyegon could do it, but only with some concentration on the event, not at her current form.
Stop posting in this thread, next thread with stupid title including Hodgkinson's name...
Don't make Kipyegon bigger monster than she is, though of course with some training she would be very good at 800, hard to speculate at what level.
Keely Hodgkinson will go sub 1:55 for sure easily in the future, though no further.
Once again, if you want to make 800 comparisons take Mu.
In which threads I'm allowed to post?
Let's wait for this sub 1:55 by Hodgkinson, I doubt it will come. With concentration on the 800m for some time, I think Kipyegon could run around 1:55.0. But it will not happen, since she will change to the long distances.
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Faith's unique levelll wrote:
In which threads I'm allowed to post?
I like this thread's title very much : ) : ) : )
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code5800 wrote:
Claiming Faith can go 7s per 800m faster than her 1500m pace
*3:49.11 1500m averages = 2:02.19 800m*
Is like saying that Hicham El Guerrouj could run 1:42 800m in his prime. (Not saying he wouldn't be able to if he trained, but that would've been an absurd assumption based on 1500m time alone)
I hate to tell you this but there were a number of reports in his era, that in a controlled TT (with his crew of pacemakers etc), El G actually ran under 1.43 for 2 laps. Was pretty well known at the time.
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code5800 wrote:
Imagine making up a PB just to make someone look better. Couldn't be me.
“Juantorena, at 32, ran his fastest 800 since 1977 last week in Havana, when he was timed in 1:44. He also tried the 1500 for the first time and clocked 3:45.”
(Followed by comments from Juantorena on how the 1500 was a bit of a struggle)
I made a thread very recently speculating on what Faith and Jakob could run at every distance where I pegged Kipyegon for 1:55.75. Which I suppose gives Hodgkinson the narrowest edge, since I doubt her 1:55.77 was a 100% fulfillment of her capacity.
It would be an interesting race—more intriguing than 1k IMO, where Kipyegon could break the WR and there’s no way Keely could win. I suspect Faith would stalk Keely until the final 100 and then try to overtake her, and whether she’d be successful or thwarted is probably on a day to day basis.
Kipyegon’s PR is only 1:57.36 but that was her only 800 of the 2020 season, it was the fastest time in the world that year and she won by almost 2 seconds. Obviously that’s not proof she couldn’t run faster in a different race in a different month. She lost to Moraa once last year, but Hodgkinson lost to Moraa three times last year so what does that prove.
Watch the 2016 1500 final. Not only does Kipyegon close in 1:57-mid, slowing down at the end when the race is won, but she splits 56.8 from 800 to 1200. Muir tries to go with the move and totally bites it in the last 200. And Kipyegon has only gotten better since then.
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Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
code5800 wrote:
Claiming Faith can go 7s per 800m faster than her 1500m pace
*3:49.11 1500m averages = 2:02.19 800m*
Is like saying that Hicham El Guerrouj could run 1:42 800m in his prime. (Not saying he wouldn't be able to if he trained, but that would've been an absurd assumption based on 1500m time alone)
I hate to tell you this but there were a number of reports in his era, that in a controlled TT (with his crew of pacemakers etc), El G actually ran under 1.43 for 2 laps. Was pretty well known at the time.
It was pretty well believed that the election was stolen as well - some still believe it to be true. So unless YOU observed AND timed it, is is just unsubstantiated rumor - much like Cierpinski and the Stazi files. You choose what you want to believe, that doesn't make it fact.
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Kipyegon has an advantage. She is without doubt juiced to the gills; Hodgkinson may not be.
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John Wesley Harding wrote:
Watch the 2016 1500 final. Not only does Kipyegon close in 1:57-mid, slowing down at the end when the race is won, but she splits 56.8 from 800 to 1200. Muir tries to go with the move and totally bites it in the last 200. And Kipyegon has only gotten better since then.
Not 1:57-mid but Kipyegon closed in 1:57.2 It's her unofficial PB.
That said the 800 is another story and stop comparing her with KH, compare her to Mu. Hard to say what Kipyegon would have achieved in this event if she had really wanted to, pure speculation...
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must be a trumper wrote:
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
I hate to tell you this but there were a number of reports in his era, that in a controlled TT (with his crew of pacemakers etc), El G actually ran under 1.43 for 2 laps. Was pretty well known at the time.
It was pretty well believed that the election was stolen as well - some still believe it to be true. So unless YOU observed AND timed it, is is just unsubstantiated rumor - much like Cierpinski and the Stazi files. You choose what you want to believe, that doesn't make it fact.
and if the Technical Director of Moroccan Athletics in the 90s say it what could you claim?
I have right there his quote of the 19 June 2023 under my eyes.
Asbel Kiprop (3:26:67) was 1:43:15, do you believe it?
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must be a trumper wrote:
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
I hate to tell you this but there were a number of reports in his era, that in a controlled TT (with his crew of pacemakers etc), El G actually ran under 1.43 for 2 laps. Was pretty well known at the time.
It was pretty well believed that the election was stolen as well - some still believe it to be true. So unless YOU observed AND timed it, is is just unsubstantiated rumor - much like Cierpinski and the Stazi files. You choose what you want to believe, that doesn't make it fact.
How likely is it that a runner who can purportedly do 1.42x in a time trial would hardly ever race the distance and when he did he was several seconds slower and nowhere near that ballpark? I.42x would have made him one of the best 800m runners in his era. Yet he elected not to compete in that event. We can guess why. The time is as mythical as the unicorn.
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Temp__Account wrote:
must be a trumper wrote:
It was pretty well believed that the election was stolen as well - some still believe it to be true. So unless YOU observed AND timed it, is is just unsubstantiated rumor - much like Cierpinski and the Stazi files. You choose what you want to believe, that doesn't make it fact.
and if the Technical Director of Moroccan Athletics in the 90s say it what could you claim?
I have right there his quote of the 19 June 2023 under my eyes.
Asbel Kiprop (3:26:67) was 1:43:15, do you believe it?
Who cares now what that doper ran.
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A runner could do a technical error (du to various conditions) of doping infringement but this doesn't mean he was getting his results from doping.
This is more comforted by the fact he was caught the year where he was struggling in performances.
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Armstronglivs wrote:
Kipyegon has an advantage. She is without doubt juiced to the gills; Hodgkinson may not be.
Hodkinson may not - so 1:55.77 is allowed to be run clean?
Kipyegon's advantage is, that Hodgkinson MAY not be doped? What a nonsensical argumentation.
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i think faith.shes run a 3.49 1500.surely that means she can run a fast 800.
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oh im pretty sure they both are.theres no way teenage girls can run sub 1.56,like keely did two years ago.not unless theyre either chemically enhanced,or dsd.the only under 20s i can think of that did that(other than athing) is pamela jelimo and caster semenya.
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