We have merged two threads on this topic into 1 and kept the title of the longer thread. The other thread was called, "Adeline Johnson, high school senior, misses state due to biological male taking the last spot in California."
I don't think anyone cares if these folks use the men's room. For that matter, no one cares if normal women use the men's bathroom. The issue at hand is WOMEN's spaces, WOMEN's sports, not men's. Get with the program and stop trying to drag (pardon the pun) everyone into the weeds.
Women don’t actually care about sharing bathrooms with women-identifying individuals, just the loser white knights on anonymous forums.
Most women are unaffected by people running around chasing a ball, so they don’t care about excluding trans women for fairness in sport more than including them for fairness and equity in society.
You (i.e. trans activists) can't make absolute statements like 'trans women are women", "you don't need to physically transition or have gender dysphoria to be trans", etc. then only invoke 'passing' trans people to support your argument when it's convenient.
If you actually believe in your ideology then you also need to justify the inclusion of this 'woman' in women's spaces:
I don't think anyone cares if these folks use the men's room. For that matter, no one cares if normal women use the men's bathroom. The issue at hand is WOMEN's spaces, WOMEN's sports, not men's. Get with the program and stop trying to drag (pardon the pun) everyone into the weeds.
Many of the "bathroom bills" force every person to use bathrooms based on their sex determined by reproductive organs.
So GOP lawmakers are against trans men using the men's bathrooms. If you don't agree with them, good for you.
You (i.e. trans activists) can't make absolute statements like 'trans women are women", "you don't need to physically transition or have gender dysphoria to be trans", etc. then only invoke 'passing' trans people to support your argument when it's convenient.
If you actually believe in your ideology then you also need to justify the inclusion of this 'woman' in women's spaces:
What exactly is the problem with her using a women’s bathroom? Do Bob5034’s daughter and wife go to public restrooms for sex activities? Is he afraid she’ll steal his daughter’s virginity and define his wife‘s purity with her bathroom colocation privilege?
1. People express legitimate concerns about these things.
2. The self-congratulatory overly woke say, “You’re just a bunch of anti-trans bigots.”
3. Comments like most of the ones in this thread pop up.
4. People from #1 throw their hands up in the air and wonder how they’re ever going to make headway.
Nice job, lads. Hope you’re enjoying yourselves.
You got the chronological order wrong.
#1 is followed by transphobic posts by bigots, and then there is pushback against that. People from #1 do not make headway because they don't denounce the bigots.
You (i.e. trans activists) can't make absolute statements like 'trans women are women", "you don't need to physically transition or have gender dysphoria to be trans", etc. then only invoke 'passing' trans people to support your argument when it's convenient.
If you actually believe in your ideology then you also need to justify the inclusion of this 'woman' in women's spaces:
Transgender people come from every region of the United States and around the world, from every racial and ethnic background, and from every faith community. Transgender people are your classmates, your coworkers, your neighb...
You (i.e. trans activists) can't make absolute statements like 'trans women are women", "you don't need to physically transition or have gender dysphoria to be trans", etc. then only invoke 'passing' trans people to support your argument when it's convenient.
If you actually believe in your ideology then you also need to justify the inclusion of this 'woman' in women's spaces:
What exactly is the problem with her using a women’s bathroom? Do Bob5034’s daughter and wife go to public restrooms for sex activities? Is he afraid she’ll steal his daughter’s virginity and define his wife‘s purity with her bathroom colocation privilege?
Because it is designed to be an exclusionary space. If females wanted to be in the company of males then they would be just as likely to enter the male bathrooms, but they don't and they aren't.
I think it's ridiculous to say "you don't need to have gender dysphoria to be trans." That's offensive to people who have gender dysphoria.
You have no idea what my "ideology" is, so stop talking about it.
The view that having "gender dysphoria" is necessary "to be trans" is not only inaccurate, it's now widely considered "transphobic."
Today, expecting people to have "gender dysphoria" - or any other kind of distress - as a prerequisite to adopting a trans gender identity is regarded as old-fashioned and oppressive "gatekeeping."
The widely accepted view amongst trans advocates today is that anyone should be able to adopt a trans gender identity - and gain access to the sports, spaces and services of the sex of their choosing - for whatever reason, and for no reason at all. As the saying goes, "Trans people don't owe anyone any explanations!"
Moreover, the most widespread view today in the gender identity movement and amongst those who provide so-called "gender affirming care" is that once a person announces they are trans, they should have unfettered access on demand to all the medical interventions they desire - such as "puberty blockers," testosterone suppressants, cross-sex hormones and an array of plastic surgeries and cosmetic procedures - so that they can reach their "embodiment goals" and attain their "ideal morphology."
The view in vogue amongst providers, consumers and adovocates of "gender affirming care" is that the costs of all these interventions - as well as revisions and reversals of them - should be paid for without question by private health insurance, public healtsh insurance like Medicaid and Medicare, and/or government health systems like the UK's NHS.
Also, for the record: lots of people who previously had, and currently have, "gender dysphoria" do not identify as "trans" and never did.
Suggesting that everyone with "gender dysphoria" is trans is offensive to the great many people with "gender dysphoria" who have chosen or found other ways to deal with the distress, unease and unhappiness they experience.
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Also, for the record: lots of people who previously had, and currently have, "gender dysphoria" do not identify as "trans" and never did.
Lots of people? You mean, the same group of people anti-trans groups parade at every event?
There was a "study' that presumably proved that detransition works because people who never had gender dysphoria did not have gender dysphoria years later.
Trans people deserve dignity. They deserve to be gainfully employed in the jobs they are qualified for, not discriminated against based on their identity.
Yes. So far so good.
afion wrote:
They deserve access to healthcare. Gender affirming health care. I don't care that this health care has only been around for a century. Every reputable medical association and trans people themselves have said that such healthcare is life saving.
No. This is reality denying nonsense. There is no such thing as "gender confirming "healthcare. It's sex denying. The sterilization and mutilation of confused teenagers is the biggest medical scandal of our time and it needs to stop now.
Really? Do you have any references with stats to back that claim? Is the fraction of bathroom rapes higher in trans friendly bathrooms compared to exclusionary bathrooms? What are the respective percentages? Or is this just intuition pulled out from a convenient orifice?
There is no federal or state law today that makes it a crime for a man to use a woman’s bathroom, so bathroom rape wouldn’t be hard at all for a would-be rapist.
Trans people deserve dignity. They deserve to be gainfully employed in the jobs they are qualified for, not discriminated against based on their identity.
Yes. So far so good.
afion wrote:
They deserve access to healthcare. Gender affirming health care. I don't care that this health care has only been around for a century. Every reputable medical association and trans people themselves have said that such healthcare is life saving.
No. This is reality denying nonsense. There is no such thing as "gender confirming "healthcare. It's sex denying. The sterilization and mutilation of confused teenagers is the biggest medical scandal of our time and it needs to stop now.
Should I take your words or those of American Academy of Pediatrics? That's a tough question, isn't it?
What exactly is the problem with her using a women’s bathroom? Do Bob5034’s daughter and wife go to public restrooms for sex activities? Is he afraid she’ll steal his daughter’s virginity and define his wife‘s purity with her bathroom colocation privilege?
Because it is designed to be an exclusionary space. If females wanted to be in the company of males then they would be just as likely to enter the male bathrooms, but they don't and they aren't.
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