59 yo - Second American at London. How about some love for Jenny Hitchings who ran 2:45:27?

Hold on, so somebody clearly 'drops a dime on her' she gets tested and nonetheless passes? All while running a 2:51 at 55 at CIM?!?

Prior to T my serum T level was about 250 which is waaay to low and was causing significant issues. Sleep was pathetic and I was only managing about 4-5 h per night. Could get to sleep but would wake after about 3 h and was exhausted but couldn't get back to sleep for several h. Once on supplemental T my sleep quality was excellent and I now get about 6-6.5 h.

Hct is typically around 47-48% but most recent (last week) was 50%. All blood work is good. Prior to T, I had initial prostate CA at age 53 followed by brachytherapy and now PSA is at 0.1. Hasn't changed in 7 years. Research is a bit mixed with regard to T supplementation and prostate CA and my physician is not concerned as long as we are monitoring PSA and it is not changing. Current cardiovascular conditioning is pretty strong with a VO2max of 50 (was 72 when I was 30y) so I feel relatively good about that. Body fat is ~21% (DXA). Cycle about 45 min 4-5 x week and run about 30 min 4 d x week using an Alter-G due to leg issues. I hate lifting but might convince myself to do it someday - consider that my life health-failing.

Yeah...250 is definitely low - hypogonadal territory. What is your test levels now with the therapy? And what is the normal even suppose to be for guys in their 60s?

You need to stop smoking, guy.

Joan probably isn't training like this lady. This doesn't seem that far fetched for someone with immense talent whose body isn't battered down from training/racing in 20s and 30s.

Have never smoked a cig in my life and my lifetime alcohol consumption is 1.5 beers :o)

Look lady, I walk 36 every weekend and drink at least 2 beers with the boys after and train like a 20 year old on top of that.

Don't tell me what's not easy!

Just for fun, age grade her time. then reverse age grade for yourself. To match her age grade, I'd have to run a 202 marathon...at 42 years old...

I have never been an elite or sub-elite, just an ok local road racer (4:20 mile in hs, 32:00 10k in 20s). Because I love to run, I did hit a point of 90-100 mpw, 2-a-day workout while holding a full time career and family….which is probably why i could only manage a 32 10k. That wasnt normal. typically 30-40 mpw.

Always a way to bounce people from a team and don’t have to directly point to the obvious drug use. People are pushed off teams every year. It’s a choice that those in charge to turn a blind eye and continue to let her represent them.

Except that Joan was, so it's even more far fetched. That's why I made the comparison on page one. Joan wasn't just a legend in 1984. Her marathon chops span decades.

This^

It's absurd.

You get, at most, 7 or 8 years of hard training and improvements if you start as an adult. Then the inevitable declines start. She's the exception? Not likely.

Some stopped running after high school, in college or after college and didn't run for a long, long time. That means they may have an easier time recovering because of less lifetime miles.

Good for you. Too many cynical posters here trying to drag others down.

So JH is three years older and 12 minutes faster. Remarkable.

I can understand why people might be against doping as in EPO and steroids, but when it comes to just trying to stave off time, you're wrong.

You have one life and do deserve to be as fit as medicine can make you. Blows my mind that an athlete has no problem going to a doctor to fix anything except hormone levels.

Just wait until genetic modification is how people "dope", you'll be longing for the days of EPO.

And Lance Armstrong never tested positive.

That is easy. They didn't train hard for a long period be it in their 20s, 30s, and/or 40s. They had kids or demanding careers their energy went to. Now, with a bunch more time they spend it running instead of speculating who may or may not be doping on letsrun.