Lance Armstrong had numerous teammates, competitors, former greats of the sport and support staff insisting he was doping (many with direct knowledge/witnessing of it). Slightly different situation.
Slightly different - I can agree with that. Slight similarities - like having numerous teammates/training partners popped? The difference - not worrying about potential life threatening reprisal from enablers in Kenya.
All these posts arguing back and forth...what exactly did Emma Coburn say?
Emma Coburn on her Instagram story said “Friendly reminder: if a performance (or a year of performances) look too good to be true… it is”. She obviously puts the caveat of it being for a performance or year, but if you take into account people obviously know how to game the system, I’d consider his decade of dominance too good to be true.
Slightly different - I can agree with that. Slight similarities - like having numerous teammates/training partners popped? The difference - not worrying about potential life threatening reprisal from enablers in Kenya.
He’s had 1 teammate busted who actually trained in Kaptagat. There was another athlete prior to that who had left the camp and Sang’s coaching and got busted months later. There’re a couple more pacemakers from the INEOS race but those were just contracted athletes from Nike who were not training partners. This is where precision of language and details are important. You’re trying to make it sound like athletes left and right in Kipchoge’s circle are going down, which is frankly untrue.
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It's good that you changed the title, but you haven't convinced me. As well, the insults are a bit much, how about trying to be friendlier? Too much to ask?
The other thread was deleted but all of my early comments were very friendly and I tried to even add in some humor. People here then started attacking me. I’m not trying to convince anyone if he’s doing or not. I don’t fully believe he’s doping but it’s hard not to think he is. My point is, saying Kipchoge is doping shouldn’t be at all controversial. Perfectly fair to disagree but people here act like saying that is the equivalent of killing someone. I’m starting to think Greg is the only normal one on this site.
You have a right to voice your opinion. However, if you want to engage in an active conversation with regard to EK doping, then you need to bring evidence and facts to the table. Chronological time comparisons?, unusual peaks in performances?, missed doping tests?, positive tests?, ANYTHING linking him to be cheating...ANYTHING? Not just him running fast. Once you bring some substance to your opinion then we can have a debate, until then, your opinion means nothing to anyone but yourself and no one cares about that.
Don't take up communications or journalism as a career, or even a hobby, son.
The attack on the so-called "Let's Run babies," is about as amateur as one can get. There may be "babies," here but there is also a wide range of people with various backgrounds who visit the site. They range from the illiterate (ahem) to high level coaches, athletes, physiologists, journalists among others.
Wasn't "funny" either; no satire career for you.
In regards to Eliud Kipchoge being dirty or not, Let's Run can hold you accountable as they are accountable for allowing your defamation to sully their pages.
Nike has more money for lawyers, than you will ever be able to imagine. Good luck.
Kipchoge is a doper and Nike has children make garbage which they then ask dudes wearing women’s clothes to peddle. All East Africans are dirty as sin and should be banned from competition based on nationality.
If you believe the playing field is level, he is GOAT.
Similar to L. Armstrong ?! He was also the best, and some others did it too :)
The down votes are hypocrisy. Lance was (is) the GOAT, but he made the mortal sin of not being a nice guy. They were / are all doped at the highest level.
All these posts arguing back and forth...what exactly did Emma Coburn say?
Emma Coburn on her Instagram story said “Friendly reminder: if a performance (or a year of performances) look too good to be true… it is”. She obviously puts the caveat of it being for a performance or year, but if you take into account people obviously know how to game the system, I’d consider his decade of dominance too good to be true.
Why does anyone assume that refers to Kipchoge? It could equally be Grant Fisher, a guy who dropped his 5k time by 20+ seconds and his 10k time by 40 seconds in a single year. Those performances are huge steps forward.
Or what about Yared Nuguse? A guy who was a good 1500 guy last year but now is in the same tier as Jakob. Maybe she's referring to Alicia Monson who is having an absolute career year this year. Or Emily Sisson who dropped her marathon PB by 5 minutes last year.
Now, I don't think any of those people are cheating, but they could all be construed as such. They all made huge strides in a short period. There's no reason to think she's talking about Kipchoge rather than someone a lot closer to home.
All these posts arguing back and forth...what exactly did Emma Coburn say?
Emma Coburn on her Instagram story said “Friendly reminder: if a performance (or a year of performances) look too good to be true… it is”. She obviously puts the caveat of it being for a performance or year, but if you take into account people obviously know how to game the system, I’d consider his decade of dominance too good to be true.
NO, that is NOT what she said. That is your edited version. The quote was superimposed over a photo of Norah Jeruto winning the world championship in 2022. She also posted another story with the same photo of Jeruto and the caption, "Remember when she ran 9:01 in the PRELIM? LOL" NOTHING regarding Kipchoge was ever mentioned at all.
Obviously, the OP is a Coburn-hater who is just trying to drag her name through the mud and get Kipchoge fans upset with her.
Emma Coburn on her Instagram story said “Friendly reminder: if a performance (or a year of performances) look too good to be true… it is”. She obviously puts the caveat of it being for a performance or year, but if you take into account people obviously know how to game the system, I’d consider his decade of dominance too good to be true.
NO, that is NOT what she said. That is your edited version. The quote was superimposed over a photo of Norah Jeruto winning the world championship in 2022. She also posted another story with the same photo of Jeruto and the caption, "Remember when she ran 9:01 in the PRELIM? LOL" NOTHING regarding Kipchoge was ever mentioned at all.
Obviously, the OP is a Coburn-hater who is just trying to drag her name through the mud and get Kipchoge fans upset with her.
Even without knowing she included a picture of Jeruto it seems pretty clear from that caption that Jeruto is who she's talking about. Making it about Kipchoge (or Fisher or Nuguse or pretty much anyone else) is the exact kind of bs that make these boards insufferable
Look at marathon times through history. Go 1998 back and there's a good mix of nationalities with the fastest ever times .
In comes EPO and watch what happens. The spread stops and Africans dominate completely, which changes athletics to what we have now. A farcical state of affairs with rampant doping in east Africa and a few athletes in countries with testing finding a way to compete by beating the testers.
The reason athletics is failing is because it has been ruined by cheaters on a massive scale. Whether it's Russian state doping, Jamaican sprinters programs or East African long distance dominance, the fun has gone.
Kipchoge may be the greatest, but he's also the greatest fraud. 1988 is the last WR that should count , the rest have been tainted by EPO in my opinion.
I believe everyone is doping or microdosing or doping through tue examptions. To believe Kipchoge is faster because only he dopes is stupid. All do it and guess what?.......Kipchoge is fastest. Got it?
I'm gonna be honest bro, I think Emma could win in a fight against Kipchoge. She's got a square ass jaw, is tall af, and got tons more muscle than Eliud's twig frame. Probably weighs more than he does too. Whoever wins, I don't you guys think up something creative/funny for the prize.
Reposting with a corrected thread title to appease the LRC babies. Id guess Emma definitely agrees with me though. His performances are the definition of unbelievable and she told me if something is unbelievable, it is. I’m honestly jealous of how dumb naive most of you are. If you don’t think Nike wouldn’t be able to all but guarantee Kipchoge would never get caught, you’re just stupid in denial. It’s constantly said the dopers are one step ahead of the testers but LRC cry babies are in denial when Kipchoge is brought up. Ever occur to people that Kipchoge is so nice/humble/religious to help himself come to grips with being forced to cheat when he doesn’t want to? His choice is to cheat or be irrelevant. If it wasn’t him, it’d be the next person so why wouldn’t he just do it and then be a good person in every other aspect of his life to make up for it? 90% of people are pathetic sheep that can’t think for themselves so I’ll take the downvotes as a compliment
Could he be doping? Sure. But your analysis is weak and essentially boils down to 'why wouldn't he?'. And Emma Coburn as the cited expert? That just earns a shrug.
Anything is possible but I think there are associations people are making here that are quite the stretch. Professional cycling is NOT Marathoning, 3k and 5k races are also NOT marathoning.
I would agree that some marathoners are doping but it would make sense to look at his peers, his coaches and the history in the Marathon and not cycling from the 1990s or 5k events.
Also need to define "doping"... A shoe that provides a mechanical advantage is an edge and a shoe may not be considered "doping" but a Marathoner 30 years ago did not have that edge. There's nutrition, shoes, metabolic tests, etc, etc.
I think he's a very smart runner and I personally think he's the best but without more background or history surrounding Kipchoge the accusations are just opinions.
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Marathoning is not cycling. It never bothered to make a pretence at cleaning up.
Anyone who actually believes Kipchoge is clean is exactly the same type as believed Armstrong was just the best. No helping some people. I mean athletes are being caught, so the assumption then must be the drugs don't really work as you can be better without them... FFS. I mean enjoy the running but at least be realistic and use basic cop on...it's all there in front of you if you look. It isn't the failed drug test..but the anecdotal evidence is all I need to base my informed opinion on.
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