You're aware average homes in Seattle are less expensive than Kirkland, Bellevue, Redmond, Issaquah, and now even Mukilteo right? That's not apples-to-apples because the homes are smaller and older, and there are expensive neighborhoods in Seattle, but overall there is not nearly as much relative demand for the location as you seem to think.
No, I wasn't aware of that. It would be interesting to see a comparison by zip code since I bet there's quite a bit of variability in Seattle based on neighborhood.
Edit: of the regional townships, it looks like Mercer Island is among the very top, which is not really surprising.
Yes, Mercer Island is most pricey, but the Eastside as a whole has outpriced Seattle by 20% or so for a while now. Seattle Times publishes a report on property prices that cites average prices for Seattle and the Eastside in the first few days of every month. April's should come out in the next two or three days.
Every area including Mercer Island will go down massively in value over the next decade
There aren't enough doctors and lawyers move here to replace the rapidly decreasing number of people earning $250K+/yr
There IS going to be a price direction. Prices are already down 7% year-over-year. It's going to be nation-wide but tech-centric areas will be most affected.
Every area including Mercer Island will go down massively in value over the next decade
There aren't enough doctors and lawyers move here to replace the rapidly decreasing number of people earning $250K+/yr
There IS going to be a price direction. Prices are already down 7% year-over-year. It's going to be nation-wide but tech-centric areas will be most affected.
Prices are down much more than 7%. Try 35% (West Mercer Island). And not up over a 5-year period. Same story everywhere in the Seattle region, but more pronounced in expensive areas. Many people who bought houses in the past 5 years are going to lose their shirts.
There IS going to be a price direction. Prices are already down 7% year-over-year. It's going to be nation-wide but tech-centric areas will be most affected.
Prices are down much more than 7%. Try 35% (West Mercer Island). And not up over a 5-year period. Same story everywhere in the Seattle region, but more pronounced in expensive areas. Many people who bought houses in the past 5 years are going to lose their shirts.
I don't see that at all. It seems prices are generally massed around the level they were just a year ago, and before that, with a blip upward in early 2022 that has since come back down.
That's the trend, and the trend has been generally upward for a long time.
Go for a week vacation to OKC and see if you like it. Trust me don’t just move there make sure when you go to visit that it’s somewhere you can see yourself living.
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I currently live in one of the few nice places remaining in the Seattle Tacoma area. The rents are simply getting ungodly. my company has an office in Oklahoma City and I never thought of transferring until the other day when I realized the cost-of-living is so much amazingly lower there. So I’m having half big thoughts of putting in for a transfer. it would be a difficult adjustment to go from having lived here my whole life to that part of the country. It’s a totally different scene. Is Oklahoma City cheap because no one wants to live there though? Or is it because they are the normal ones, and Seattle rents are high because we are so whacked out up here?
I'm unfamiliar with Seattle (never been there) but I have family in OKC and have spent plenty of time there. I live on the east coast.
If you don't require a lot to entertain you, OKC can be great. You can likely find a dope house for shockingly little money and the OKC airport works fine :-).
If you need a lot of stuff to entertain you. And you don't like cowboys and country music..Well..
And OKC can be hot as Hades and winters can have brutal cold/ice episodes (mixed also with many 70F days!). Wind is a constant. Tornados not uncommon. Droughts are a thing. Tractor trailers are everywhere. Lot of military stuff. Lots of poverty in OKC proper, and in the sticks but that is invisible. Suburbs are nice enough at times but I don't know what people do for amusement. Crime is absolutely an issue. Don't think you'll be avoiding crime by moving to OK.
If you are looking for good schools, you may need to look hard.
The running scene is decent actually. Golf is decent, that's my thing these days.
As someone who is native to the West Coast, grew up in Washington, and now lives in Texas, I can tell you there are tradeoffs. I think you will find the people in OK to be more friendly and tolerant (yes, believe it) but you are giving up natural beauty. If you were thinking of moving to Tulsa the transition would be easier as the surrounding area there is better and you are close to the Ozarks (awesome). OKC is a bit of a shi*hole IMO. Flat, dry, hot. If your company has any presence in Texas go there. Any of the large cities here beats OKC for quality of life.
I currently live in one of the few nice places remaining in the Seattle Tacoma area. The rents are simply getting ungodly. my company has an office in Oklahoma City and I never thought of transferring until the other day when I realized the cost-of-living is so much amazingly lower there. So I’m having half big thoughts of putting in for a transfer. it would be a difficult adjustment to go from having lived here my whole life to that part of the country. It’s a totally different scene. Is Oklahoma City cheap because no one wants to live there though? Or is it because they are the normal ones, and Seattle rents are high because we are so whacked out up here?
I'm unfamiliar with Seattle (never been there) but I have family in OKC and have spent plenty of time there. I live on the east coast.
If you don't require a lot to entertain you, OKC can be great. You can likely find a dope house for shockingly little money and the OKC airport works fine :-).
If you need a lot of stuff to entertain you. And you don't like cowboys and country music..Well..
And OKC can be hot as Hades and winters can have brutal cold/ice episodes (mixed also with many 70F days!). Wind is a constant. Tornados not uncommon. Droughts are a thing. Tractor trailers are everywhere. Lot of military stuff. Lots of poverty in OKC proper, and in the sticks but that is invisible. Suburbs are nice enough at times but I don't know what people do for amusement. Crime is absolutely an issue. Don't think you'll be avoiding crime by moving to OK.
If you are looking for good schools, you may need to look hard.
The running scene is decent actually. Golf is decent, that's my thing these days.
all of this true, for the most part. some caveats:
-For tornadoes, though, they only strike certain areas. So if you live outside those areas, you're fine
-very good schools in edmond, oklahoma
-not that much military stuff. I was stationed at Tinker Air Force base, which is 10 miles outside of OKC. Fort Sill is almost 90 miles sw of OKC. And OKC is not a "military town" at all, has plenty of its own money and business that does not depend on the military at all. if Tinker AFB went away, no one would notice
OKC has been a boomtown due to the fracking boom. The metro area is up to about 1.5 million people. Real estate is cheap because there are no land barriers and developers can keep sprawling out onto cheap farmland. And up until about the late 1990s, no one wanted to live in OKC.
Because of the energy industry boom, everyone in OKC is from somewhere else. That somewhere else is more often than not Texas. But people get pulled into OKC to work the shale formation from all over.
OKC is a southern city. It is basically Dallas' mini me. People are pretty laid back and have good senses of humor. The state is very conservative and most people you will meet in OKC are in the oil and gas business. But you will also meet plenty of normal center-left to progressive people in OKC.
There is plenty to do in OKC. Lots of concert venues from small to large (U Okla is just south in Norman if you want to hang with the kids). Plenty of decent restaurants (and real Mexican food). You are about 3-4 hours drive to DFW if you need to see an NFL game or go to a symphony concert.
OKC is hot as F in the summer with a good 3-4 months of 90+ with plenty of humidity. OKC is right on tornado alley. And most homes in OKC have no basement. Make sure you have comprehensive auto insurance as OKC also gets some pretty massive hail storms. The city is actually very green with decent amounts of rainfall, but lots of sun.
If you need to be in the mountains, the Sangre de Christo range in NM (Taos, Angel Fire, etc.) is about 8 hours drive away and most of the ski areas in CO are 12 hours. Hot Springs, AR is a day's drive and has nice camping, lakes, rivers, etc.
You could do a lot worse than OKC. Between OKC and Seattle (my wife's family is in Seattle), I am not sure that it is worth it to be in Seattle and be broke versus being in OKC with the good ol boys, mega churches and strip malls but having enough money to go out and enjoy yourself on the weekends.
But you just described why you’ll have to go hours and hours away from OKC to spend that money on the weekends.
It may just be a fair tradeoff. In Seattle, it takes a good 2+ hours to get to the cool places to hike in the mountains. And then a lot of the time it will be in the upper 40s to lower 50s with light rain. So, to get in a good hike, you will spend 4-5+ hours in the car. In OKC, you can drive to NM for a long weekend and stay in a nice VRBO or go to Hot Springs or hang out in Dallas and go to nice restaurants, bars, clubs and see concerts, sports, etc. Some people are very happy packing a lunch and spending 4 hours in their 2012 Subaru Outback with 187,000 miles to go hike around Mt. Rainier and then come home and make some ramen in your crappy 1970s apartment in Renton that still costs $1,500 a month for a 550 sq ft one bedroom. But some people would rather have some cash in their pocket and a nice apartment and give up the day hikes in the Cascades for weekend trips to the Sangre de Cristo range or Ozarks.
But you just described why you’ll have to go hours and hours away from OKC to spend that money on the weekends.
It may just be a fair tradeoff. In Seattle, it takes a good 2+ hours to get to the cool places to hike in the mountains......
Not really.
"Seattle is close to many different mountains. Tiger Mountain and Cougar Mountain are about 30 minutes from Seattle. Mount Si is 45 minutes away."
You are correct, though, that the big ranges are further out, and a 90 minute or 2 hour drive gets you well into the Cascades or Mt. Rainier, for example.
This is the weather the entire week. Yesterday every coffee shop was packed with people bumning around to escape both the rain and the loneliness of their studio apartment.
This is the weather the entire week. Yesterday every coffee shop was packed with people bumning around to escape both the rain and the loneliness of their studio apartment.
shut up already. Either do something to improve your situation or STFU
It may just be a fair tradeoff. In Seattle, it takes a good 2+ hours to get to the cool places to hike in the mountains......
Not really.
"Seattle is close to many different mountains. Tiger Mountain and Cougar Mountain are about 30 minutes from Seattle. Mount Si is 45 minutes away."
You are correct, though, that the big ranges are further out, and a 90 minute or 2 hour drive gets you well into the Cascades or Mt. Rainier, for example.
I can be XC or alpine skiing after an hour drive from my house. There are decent trail runs even closer, although I usually run on the roads or trails in my suburb. I'll go to Crystal to ski tomorrow and I'll have good snow and great an varied terrain after a 90 minute drive. There are plenty of cycling and mountain bike alternatives as well. OKC doesn't offer those alternatives and driving to Dallas (a really boring drive; I've lived in Dallas) isn't going to change that.
I expect housing is cheaper in OKC. Housing prices reflect desirability of location. But I agree with the suggestion that you go to OKC and stay for a week or two. If you think what it offers is fine for what you want in life right now, a move may be the right choice.
