For some demographics, 2) is nearly zero with or without the vaccine. In other demographics there is a much higher probability of adverse outcomes from contracting Covid.
So is the risk of varicella and most other childhood diseases.
For decades, average-minded people like yourself could manage to grasp that relative risk reduction from disease is compared to relative risk of vaccination. The calculus is clearly in favor of vaccination for the host of childhood vaccines you took with no issues and for COVID.
Babbling about absolute risks is an admission that you are incapable of understand things like 'rates' and 'division.'
Are you in favor of mandating Covid shots as part of the childhood immunization plan? Why or why not?
Do you agree that some demographic groups had a minuscule rate of adverse outcomes from Covid? The risk reduction of my demographic is very, very small.
You incorrectly assume that I am against the Covid vaccine. I am not. In lots of demographic groups it is absolutely needed. I looked at the data and determined that the Covid risk for my group was minuscule.
Imagine believing Covid actually killed more than 1 million Americans
There were hundreds of thousands of excess deaths *above* the ones attributed to Covid in the US over the last several years, and a decline of 2.7 years in life expectancy from 2019 to 2021. Shuffling around flu deaths or whatever you think happened can't account for that.
Or maybe it's "only 6% had no comorbidities". That's a popular one. Apparently if someone's fat and dies of Covid it doesn't count.
So is the risk of varicella and most other childhood diseases.
For decades, average-minded people like yourself could manage to grasp that relative risk reduction from disease is compared to relative risk of vaccination. The calculus is clearly in favor of vaccination for the host of childhood vaccines you took with no issues and for COVID.
Babbling about absolute risks is an admission that you are incapable of understand things like 'rates' and 'division.'
Are you in favor of mandating Covid shots as part of the childhood immunization plan? Why or why not?
Do you agree that some demographic groups had a minuscule rate of adverse outcomes from Covid? The risk reduction of my demographic is very, very small.
You incorrectly assume that I am against the Covid vaccine. I am not. In lots of demographic groups it is absolutely needed. I looked at the data and determined that the Covid risk for my group was minuscule.
To Harambe's point, you are still making the argument about absolute risk not relative risk.
For all age groups the relative risk of vaccination vs COVID infection is skewed massively toward infection - seriously.Thus is makes sense to get vaccinated, and I think it should be recommended.
FWIW there is no mandated vaccination schedule in the US or any state. To go to public school in most states there is some, as well as to be an adult working in some childcare/caring giving occupations, and of course the military. These are not without exemptions too.
There was/is a very small statistical chance of adverse outcomes for people in my demographic.
And an even smaller chance of adverse outcomes from the vaccine.
You are one button press on a $2 calculator away from understanding... I have faith.
A fraction of a very tiny number is also a very tiny number. With or without a Covid vaccination, the probability of an adverse outcome for my demographic was/is minuscule.
You can throw all the insults you’d like, it won’t change the data though.
Are you in favor of mandating Covid shots as part of the childhood immunization plan? Why or why not?
Do you agree that some demographic groups had a minuscule rate of adverse outcomes from Covid? The risk reduction of my demographic is very, very small.
You incorrectly assume that I am against the Covid vaccine. I am not. In lots of demographic groups it is absolutely needed. I looked at the data and determined that the Covid risk for my group was minuscule.
To Harambe's point, you are still making the argument about absolute risk not relative risk.
For all age groups the relative risk of vaccination vs COVID infection is skewed massively toward infection - seriously.Thus is makes sense to get vaccinated, and I think it should be recommended.
FWIW there is no mandated vaccination schedule in the US or any state. To go to public school in most states there is some, as well as to be an adult working in some childcare/caring giving occupations, and of course the military. These are not without exemptions too.
Still, both of you are dancing around the point that my demographic has a minuscule probability of an adverse outcome from Covid - with or without the vaccine. I do understand that some people have trouble understanding that multiples of very, very small numbers are still very, very small numbers.
You guys also keep bringing up the straw man argument of adverse risk of the vaccine. I am not in that camp. Please stop.
My decision to not receive the vaccine had nothing to do with adverse effects of the vaccine. It had to do with understanding the data and the probability of adverse outcomes if I tested positive. which I have not.
And an even smaller chance of adverse outcomes from the vaccine.
You are one button press on a $2 calculator away from understanding... I have faith.
A fraction of a very tiny number is also a very tiny number. With or without a Covid vaccination, the probability of an adverse outcome for my demographic was/is minuscule.
You can throw all the insults you’d like, it won’t change the data though.
If the risk of severe adverse event from COVID was 1/10,000 and the risk of severe adverse event from COVID vaccination was 1/1,000,000... you can argue all you want but it's a mistake not to get vaccinated. For no population were these numbers closer than 2-3 orders of magnitude.
You argument isnt that forgoing vaccination is a intelligent option, it's that contracting COVID without immunity is a risk youre willing to take - perhaps the annoyance of going to a clinic for two shots is too high?
Naturally all this analysis is out the window if vaccines significantly prevent transmission, which they did to a great degree pre-omicron, and which they do to a modest degree now.
To Harambe's point, you are still making the argument about absolute risk not relative risk.
For all age groups the relative risk of vaccination vs COVID infection is skewed massively toward infection - seriously.Thus is makes sense to get vaccinated, and I think it should be recommended.
FWIW there is no mandated vaccination schedule in the US or any state. To go to public school in most states there is some, as well as to be an adult working in some childcare/caring giving occupations, and of course the military. These are not without exemptions too.
Still, both of you are dancing around the point that my demographic has a minuscule probability of an adverse outcome from Covid - with or without the vaccine. I do understand that some people have trouble understanding that multiples of very, very small numbers are still very, very small numbers.
You guys also keep bringing up the straw man argument of adverse risk of the vaccine. I am not in that camp. Please stop.
My decision to not receive the vaccine had nothing to do with adverse effects of the vaccine. It had to do with understanding the data and the probability of adverse outcomes if I tested positive. which I have not.
Again, on an individual level you are allowed to weigh risks and choose objectively riskier options.
On a population level this leads to large number of people getting quite sick that otherwise wouldnt, using resources, causing grief, etc. thus it should be recommended on a population level.
I am not sure what your point is.
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Again, on an individual level you are allowed to weigh risks and choose objectively riskier options.
On a population level this leads to large number of people getting quite sick that otherwise wouldnt, using resources, causing grief, etc. thus it should be recommended on a population level.
I am not sure what your point is.
Your population level premise conveniently omits the amount of medical resources devoted to administering "vaccines" and "boosters". You also leave out the ER visits due to serious reactions caused by injections of mRNA goop.
A fraction of a very tiny number is also a very tiny number. With or without a Covid vaccination, the probability of an adverse outcome for my demographic was/is minuscule.
You can throw all the insults you’d like, it won’t change the data though.
If the risk of severe adverse event from COVID was 1/10,000 and the risk of severe adverse event from COVID vaccination was 1/1,000,000... you can argue all you want but it's a mistake not to get vaccinated. For no population were these numbers closer than 2-3 orders of magnitude.
You argument isnt that forgoing vaccination is a intelligent option, it's that contracting COVID without immunity is a risk youre willing to take - perhaps the annoyance of going to a clinic for two shots is too high?
Naturally all this analysis is out the window if vaccines significantly prevent transmission, which they did to a great degree pre-omicron, and which they do to a modest degree now.
Still, both of you are dancing around the point that my demographic has a minuscule probability of an adverse outcome from Covid - with or without the vaccine. I do understand that some people have trouble understanding that multiples of very, very small numbers are still very, very small numbers.
You guys also keep bringing up the straw man argument of adverse risk of the vaccine. I am not in that camp. Please stop.
My decision to not receive the vaccine had nothing to do with adverse effects of the vaccine. It had to do with understanding the data and the probability of adverse outcomes if I tested positive. which I have not.
Again, on an individual level you are allowed to weigh risks and choose objectively riskier options.
On a population level this leads to large number of people getting quite sick that otherwise wouldnt, using resources, causing grief, etc. thus it should be recommended on a population level.
I am not sure what your point is.
It does seem that you are more willing to argue YOUR point rather than discuss MY point.
Again, on an individual level you are allowed to weigh risks and choose objectively riskier options.
On a population level this leads to large number of people getting quite sick that otherwise wouldnt, using resources, causing grief, etc. thus it should be recommended on a population level.
I am not sure what your point is.
It does seem that you are more willing to argue YOUR point rather than discuss MY point.
I have never been against allowing people to make sub-optimal (i.e. risky) decisions.
Just don't be so sensitive when I call out those decision as sub-optimal. That's all.
If the risk of severe adverse event from COVID was 1/10,000 and the risk of severe adverse event from COVID vaccination was 1/1,000,000... you can argue all you want but it's a mistake not to get vaccinated. For no population were these numbers closer than 2-3 orders of magnitude.
You argument isnt that forgoing vaccination is a intelligent option, it's that contracting COVID without immunity is a risk youre willing to take - perhaps the annoyance of going to a clinic for two shots is too high?
Naturally all this analysis is out the window if vaccines significantly prevent transmission, which they did to a great degree pre-omicron, and which they do to a modest degree now.
Which demographic group was that for?
No, it does include those.
For someone that spams so many articles, it's shocking how poor you are at reading.
So is the risk of varicella and most other childhood diseases.
For decades, average-minded people like yourself could manage to grasp that relative risk reduction from disease is compared to relative risk of vaccination. The calculus is clearly in favor of vaccination for the host of childhood vaccines you took with no issues and for COVID.
Babbling about absolute risks is an admission that you are incapable of understand things like 'rates' and 'division.'
Are you in favor of mandating Covid shots as part of the childhood immunization plan? Why or why not?
Do you agree that some demographic groups had a minuscule rate of adverse outcomes from Covid? The risk reduction of my demographic is very, very small.
You incorrectly assume that I am against the Covid vaccine. I am not. In lots of demographic groups it is absolutely needed. I looked at the data and determined that the Covid risk for my group was minuscule.
At this point I don't think it makes sense to add the COVID vaccine to an immunization program for children. Is this something that is being considered by any agency?