“…the few” E. Africans who dope. The woketards continuously try to shovel their bs at everyone. It has become increasingly obvoius that most E. Africans are juiced to their eyeballs. Of course pointing out the truth is racist.
The top guy is a guy that runs 1:43. The second best guy is a guy that runs 1:46.
The poster’s point still stands: if the shoes we are in an era of 3:31 people running 3:28 because to the shoes, then El G would be running 3:23 in this era.
If you gave El G. the full 1990s EPO buffet and the modern wave lights and Dragonflys and the mondo track and perfect rabbits, then he would have broked 3:25, yes.
As it stands, a lot of guys who used to be 3:35 guys are now sniffing 3:30. That is thanks to the "all of the above" improvements of today over previous generations. These are the guys who used to just break 4:00 but now are almost running 3:50 (in the mile).
But, for the elite of the elite, nothing is more powerful than the EPO boost. So as long as the Biological Passport is on board, people can't dope like that anymore, the 3:26.00 is likely untouchable (for now).
Interesting topic and the same is happening here in Australia. In my group alone I have had a 10 year old run 17:44 for a 5k parkrun, 13 year old run 2:01.5 800m, 11 year old female run 1:01.4 for 400m.
Shoes yes....in saying that coached kid from age 11 and at 17 before shoes 3:51for 1500m now a 3:56 miler at Ivy league school.
Drugs no
Coaching well I hope so and if I don't get results they will find other coaches. The above mentioned athletes only train with me 1-2x per week. In my city I don't know of any bad coaches.
Collective belief that if someone is running fast why can't they.
Group dynamics I believe plays a part.
As a coach it is fun seeing what athletes can achieve.
Well they keep getting faster. 13 Year old runs 4:04.98 for 1500m tonight. He turns 14 this year. He is an 8th grader, but hey everyone is running fast here so why not.
An entire generation of runners discovered the internet in 2020/2021 which opened their minds to what is possible
2. the COACHING
Almost every coach changed their methods around 2020/2021. It’s crazy that they all figured out how to train runners to go faster at the same time.
3. the TRACKS
banked tracks like BU were all built in 2020/2021. Before all performances were on crappy 180m tracks
4. 6th YEARS
despite ample 5th year presence historically, there are maybe a dozen guys who are 12 months older than the prior average senior age. Prior to 2020 there were no older athletes in the NCAA
5. AMBITION
Runners competing after 2020 all have greater ambition and work harder than runners before 2020. Likely due to the fact they had a season taken from them so they have something to prove and now with the internet and social media, which did not exist before 2020, they want to flex on the gram and all that jazz
I can’t think of any other thing that changed around this time frame that could explain why sub 4 miles 3x’d and a bunch NCAA/National/World records all got destroyed after 2021
before 2021 meets like the Razorback invite, BU valentine, Washington Invite, etc. simply did not exist. There were basically no fast meets before COVID.
An entire generation of runners discovered the internet in 2020/2021 which opened their minds to what is possible
2. the COACHING
Almost every coach changed their methods around 2020/2021. It’s crazy that they all figured out how to train runners to go faster at the same time.
3. the TRACKS
banked tracks like BU were all built in 2020/2021. Before all performances were on crappy 180m tracks
4. 6th YEARS
despite ample 5th year presence historically, there are maybe a dozen guys who are 12 months older than the prior average senior age. Prior to 2020 there were no older athletes in the NCAA
5. AMBITION
Runners competing after 2020 all have greater ambition and work harder than runners before 2020. Likely due to the fact they had a season taken from them so they have something to prove and now with the internet and social media, which did not exist before 2020, they want to flex on the gram and all that jazz
I can’t think of any other thing that changed around this time frame that could explain why sub 4 miles 3x’d and a bunch NCAA/National/World records all got destroyed after 2021
Interesting topic and the same is happening here in Australia. In my group alone I have had a 10 year old run 17:44 for a 5k parkrun, 13 year old run 2:01.5 800m, 11 year old female run 1:01.4 for 400m.
Shoes yes....in saying that coached kid from age 11 and at 17 before shoes 3:51for 1500m now a 3:56 miler at Ivy league school.
Drugs no
Coaching well I hope so and if I don't get results they will find other coaches. The above mentioned athletes only train with me 1-2x per week. In my city I don't know of any bad coaches.
Collective belief that if someone is running fast why can't they.
Group dynamics I believe plays a part.
As a coach it is fun seeing what athletes can achieve.
Well they keep getting faster. 13 Year old runs 4:04.98 for 1500m tonight. He turns 14 this year. He is an 8th grader, but hey everyone is running fast here so why not.
I don’t know anything about that kid, but the other day I was looking at a top 20 podium picture from the Bob Firman middle school race from a few years back. Some of the kids look like they are 9 while others looked like sophomores.
An entire generation of runners discovered the internet in 2020/2021 which opened their minds to what is possible
2. the COACHING
Almost every coach changed their methods around 2020/2021. It’s crazy that they all figured out how to train runners to go faster at the same time.
3. the TRACKS
banked tracks like BU were all built in 2020/2021. Before all performances were on crappy 180m tracks
4. 6th YEARS
despite ample 5th year presence historically, there are maybe a dozen guys who are 12 months older than the prior average senior age. Prior to 2020 there were no older athletes in the NCAA
5. AMBITION
Runners competing after 2020 all have greater ambition and work harder than runners before 2020. Likely due to the fact they had a season taken from them so they have something to prove and now with the internet and social media, which did not exist before 2020, they want to flex on the gram and all that jazz
I can’t think of any other thing that changed around this time frame that could explain why sub 4 miles 3x’d and a bunch NCAA/National/World records all got destroyed after 2021
With #5, you’ve insulted thousands of runners.
He was being sarcastic. The actual point being made was that all of that was always present. No huge chanhe happened last year or the year before in training, tracks, and ambition. Ironically, you thought he was being serious. He actually thinks it was shoes and/or drugs.
An entire generation of runners discovered the internet in 2020/2021 which opened their minds to what is possible
2. the COACHING
Almost every coach changed their methods around 2020/2021. It’s crazy that they all figured out how to train runners to go faster at the same time.
3. the TRACKS
banked tracks like BU were all built in 2020/2021. Before all performances were on crappy 180m tracks
4. 6th YEARS
despite ample 5th year presence historically, there are maybe a dozen guys who are 12 months older than the prior average senior age. Prior to 2020 there were no older athletes in the NCAA
5. AMBITION
Runners competing after 2020 all have greater ambition and work harder than runners before 2020. Likely due to the fact they had a season taken from them so they have something to prove and now with the internet and social media, which did not exist before 2020, they want to flex on the gram and all that jazz
I can’t think of any other thing that changed around this time frame that could explain why sub 4 miles 3x’d and a bunch NCAA/National/World records all got destroyed after 2021
How did coaching methods change? Perfect timing too. Lol! Ridiculous! It’s shoes and nothing more. Yeah, go tell Kennedy and Williams that they didn’t have enough “ambition.” Pretty sure BU track was built in 2002. Also, internet has been around a long time. I guess you’re referring to the new and improved internet that we didn’t have 15 years ago lol!
An entire generation of runners discovered the internet in 2020/2021 which opened their minds to what is possible
2. the COACHING
Almost every coach changed their methods around 2020/2021. It’s crazy that they all figured out how to train runners to go faster at the same time.
3. the TRACKS
banked tracks like BU were all built in 2020/2021. Before all performances were on crappy 180m tracks
4. 6th YEARS
despite ample 5th year presence historically, there are maybe a dozen guys who are 12 months older than the prior average senior age. Prior to 2020 there were no older athletes in the NCAA
5. AMBITION
Runners competing after 2020 all have greater ambition and work harder than runners before 2020. Likely due to the fact they had a season taken from them so they have something to prove and now with the internet and social media, which did not exist before 2020, they want to flex on the gram and all that jazz
I can’t think of any other thing that changed around this time frame that could explain why sub 4 miles 3x’d and a bunch NCAA/National/World records all got destroyed after 2021
How did coaching methods change? Perfect timing too. Lol! Ridiculous! It’s shoes and nothing more. Yeah, go tell Kennedy and Williams that they didn’t have enough “ambition.” Pretty sure BU track was built in 2002. Also, internet has been around a long time. I guess you’re referring to the new and improved internet that we didn’t have 15 years ago lol!
When you say "kids" are you talking high school? (rule out drug) the others work.
Why would you rule out kids using PEDs in HS? After all, HS is when most kids first experiment with drugs. More and more high schoolers are cheating (academically) to get into prestigious colleges. Why not young student athletes? Whether it's sports or academia, kids pursuing the trappings of success (higher education, wealth, fame) face enormous peer pressure, competition, and expenses. PEDs offer students of sport a potentially very lucrative ROI. For HS athletes, particularly the intellectually challenged, PEDs can help secure tuition-free packages (often valued at 100K or more) with little up-front cost. Why risk your life on fentanyl-laced dope when PEDs are the future fast-track to prosperity? Poor kids don't want to rely on their low-income parents footing the bill or being saddled themselves with life-long college debt. I'm not encouraging anybody to take PEDs, but the temptation to cheat is becoming increasingly pervasive. I think kids are turning to drugs for more than just a quick high.
And no testing makes it easy. You don’t even have to get creative.
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