The reason why Jakob Ingebrigtsen will never run under 3:27

Terrible post.

El G's season's best were:

3:31 in 1995

3:29 in 1996

3:28 in 1997

3:26.00 in 1998

3:27 in 1999

3:27 in 2000

3:26.12 in 2001

3:26.89 in 2002

3:28 in 2003

3:27 in 2004

Putting aside the most doped progression ever by El G, Lagat ran sub-3:30 in EVERY SINGLE YEAR from 2000 to 2006. You don't think that ability in a competitor was on the mind of El Juice right until he quit after 2004?

Snell.

No the reason is they were both on EPO.

Run on todays tracks and shoes that 3:26 is worth 3:24 and puts into actual context the gap.

Kiprop needed EPO to run 3:26.. Totally delusional to think that while the 90% of the cycling Tour were on it that athletics was somehow clean. People EPO and roids work if enough of the elite are using it is virtually impossible to set a word record clean . The shoes have closed the gap a bit. Add 1.5-2 seconds to all the current fastest mile 1500 times to compare to 20+ years ago slightly more for 40 years

Seem to remember he is the olympic champion ....
Something El G struggled a lot to achieve...

He achieved it. And the 5k. He was also a multiple world champion and world record holder over 1500/mile - which Jakob is nowhere near.

He's too tall and heavy for a 1500. Maybe he'll have a better chance with 6 kilos less.
USA: 1Kg = 2.204623 pounds. You are welcome.

I wonder how comfortable he was when Jake Wightman LIT HIM UP at the world championships last year.

I don't think Jakob will be very comfortable trying for 3.26.

I don’t agree. And I think you totally miscalculate what’s going on in young Ingebrigtsens consciousness/ subconsciousness (I can do too, but unlike you I base my opinion on the young mans statements in interviews)..

Jakob clearly wants to win a lot and run fast. But to the subconsciously part: If he was older, or clearly had peaked, yes then you could be right, and he would have settled for just winning things for awhile (3,28 wise). Or stepped up (5, 10000m, half marathon)… Example: When Jakob pr’ed in the 3000m he clearly wasn’t focused on winning -his aim was to run fast (beating the european record), and he therefore exposed himself to loosing, by going to the lead too early (in order to keep up the pace).
I think Jakobs main goal is to find out how good he can become (from 800m to marathon; abstaining the speed work necessary for the 800m for the greater good). And I think he wants to see his potential materialised in prs and records, clean, simply because he doesn’t need to see these things doped. And if his level of performance gives him the opportunity to win championships of course he will try this too…

Do we see a 3,25,9 from Jakob? Nobody knows -Wightman seems to have mastered both speed- and strengt development in the same season, whereas Cheruyiot (just now) is stronger but slower. Jakob needs 1 sec improvement in the 800m (I believe); if he can pul “a Wightman” and not “a Cheruyiot” so maybe, but I don’t know how realistic (with Jakobs training regime)…

We’ve already seen a little of Jakobs 5000m talent, but his half and full marathon capacity is totally unknown, to himself also I imagine, yes even his 10000m… Maybe we’re in for a interesting treat sometimes in the future!

Great thinking OP! How do you explain kipchoges recent WRs or sub2? Or why did Bolt keep setting WRs when no one was even close? Surely Cheptegi had people in his WR attempts pushing him as well right OP?

Or maybe he’s talented and just likes to race. I doubt any athlete thinks like what you described.

Why is the user name “est un autre” as opposed to “Je est un autre”?

Only be cause I didn’t want to steal the whole phrase..!

More annoying than doping deniers are British fans thinking ol’ Crammer, Coe and Ovett were 3:26-7 guys with nothing changed but the superspikes/new tracks. They ran really fast, their marks hold up and yes they’d be a little faster (3:28) if they ran now with the new tech. But the idea of 2+ seconds is absurd and they agree with me if you listen them on race commentary. Honestly, some of their PBs aren’t even from their peak physically (Coe/Ovett). Better pacing/setups in their real primes (early 80s) would’ve helped. I think Coe and Ovett lost a half second of more on that alone.

Heck right now that often holds Jakob/Tim back. El Guerrouj, Lagat and Ngeny often had 1100-1200 of perfect rabbiting (Ngeny ironically gave this to El G). Guys nowadays often get 8-900 with only 1 rabbit, or an overmatched second rabbit who does more harm than good. That extra 200 matters.

Jakobs limiting factor is his speed. He is about as slow as you can be to run 3:27. He can do it, but he will need to be sharp and get better pacing than he has to this point. His top distance to me remains the 3k where I think him and Girma could challenge the World Record. In the mile Jakob can run 3:44 but not if he’s all along after 1,000.

There’s no Noah.

Why is this getting downvoted?

Anyone who was following the sport in the 80s and 90s will remember reading about how Jim Spivey’s head weighed only 9 pounds, 2 ounces—remarkably light for a human male of his stature. He used to say in interviews that his athletic success was “10% training, 90% my unusually light head”. There are old reports of the great German 5k runner Harald Norpoth’s head dipping under 3.5 kilos (7.72 lbs.) during periods of heavy training, but those are as dubious as Jim Ryun’s sub-50 last 400 in Düsseldorf, IMO.

Jakob’s head looks to me like a 13 pounder, though I can’t find an exact figure online (World Athletics should include that on their athlete profiles—hello amateur hour). At 2 seconds a mile per pound of superfluous weight, that means that with even an average 11 pound head Jakob would already have run:

3:26.46, 3:44.46, 7:23.33, 12:42.15

Times which seem far more appropriate for someone of Jakob’s pedigree.

good call

Yeah, you don't think.

Uhhhhhh oooooooohhhhhh!!!!!!!

looks like Jakob only needs a competitor to run 3:28.high in order to go sub 3:27

I wonder how fast he would run if el Guerrouj was in the race?