Luckily Drew posts all his workouts to strava and I follow them very closely. My conclusion is he is an insane talent. It is amazing how well he runs based on what he does. His training is what you would expect from a 14-14:30 guy.
Go through his strava. It is a bunch of 5:00ish threshold and mile pace 200s. Which are fine to get good, but it just lacks the raw intensity to get great. Look at the most succesful groups in the US right now- BTC and On, they are known for absolutely brutal workouts. This was always my criticism of Tinmans training, at some point you need to do the brutal fast fast work to really make the jump.
The problem is not the trainign thought. Drew can not workout very hard/high mileage (in comparison to his peers) without getting hurt. He has been running 80 mpw the last months and this is the most mileage he has ever run.
I think the answer is to just keep what he is doing but try not to get hurt and miss months at a time. He obviously has insane talent still but regardless of who you are if you miss 2-3 months every year you won't be great.
I (like many others) believe switching groups would be a great move. But if he gets injured immediately there is no point.
Most of the On team are on Strava. None of the workouts they do seem that hard given their performances. Nothing that Joe Klecker does indicates a 12:54. Nothing Monson does indicates an AR in the 3k. This fall, they’ve just done fartleks, tempos/threshold and some mile pace 200s + hills. They did like 4 semi-hard workouts before racing indoors.
Klecker literally ran sub 4 at 5000 ft as a warm up for threshold work, Monson ran 4:26. Dathan timed the workout to be really hard, and generate insane hype for their indoor circuit, and it worked. ON hype train made people believe that Klecker was going to run sub 13, that monson could beat Cranny, that Yared Nuguse could threaten an AR in the mile.
They still exceed this, but, they used a really hard workout to generate hype and indicate how fit they were
He needs to forge his birth certificate and change his identity to train through the NCAA system for four years while chasing a degree in marketing because that is the ONLY way to achieve running success!
Klecker does more volume in his workouts with typically less rest than Drew and his overall volume mileage-wise is 25% higher. I also see more relatively intense 5k-paced stuff of longer intervals than Drew. Also to the people saying he’s got as good a shot in the 1500…I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anything to indicate Drew could get to a US final. In a slow 5,000 I’ve seen him finish relatively competitively at least.
In the 1500m he has Nuguse, Hocker, and Teare to beat
In the 5000m he has Fisher, Kinkaid, and Klecker to beat
If he doesn't move soon, the steeplechase is going to get crowded. Out of all the upcoming talent in college that are running sub 3:55 or sub 13:20, some guys are gonna realize that they don't have the chops to beat 3:32 guys or 12:54 guys. In a few years we'll have 3 sub 8:10 guys in the steeple.
Maybe he could move to the marathon while 2:10 is still a good time. But I think it's not long before US guys figure out how everyone else is running 2:06 consistently.
He just isn’t at the elite level. You must be minimum sub 13 in the 5000m sub 3:32 in the 1500m to even have a shot of being close. He should start road racing
Klecker does more volume in his workouts with typically less rest than Drew and his overall volume mileage-wise is 25% higher. I also see more relatively intense 5k-paced stuff of longer intervals than Drew. Also to the people saying he’s got as good a shot in the 1500…I’m not sure I’ve ever seen anything to indicate Drew could get to a US final. In a slow 5,000 I’ve seen him finish relatively competitively at least.
Wow. Sounds like medals. Is the year 2123 or 2023? To have a shot a making a US team, you have to be sub 3:32? Where did these 5 or 6 sub 3:32 guys come from? I don't think you follow the sport. Amd the US doesn't have 5 or 6 guys sub 13 either even you said a 13:00 guy has no chance to make the team. I think Young and Bosley have a chance and they haven't run sub 13.
Wow. Sounds like medals. Is the year 2123 or 2023? To have a shot a making a US team, you have to be sub 3:32? Where did these 5 or 6 sub 3:32 guys come from? I don't think you follow the sport. Amd the US doesn't have 5 or 6 guys sub 13 either even you said a 13:00 guy has no chance to make the team. I think Young and Bosley have a chance and they haven't run sub 13.
Klecker literally ran sub 4 at 5000 ft as a warm up for threshold work, Monson ran 4:26. Dathan timed the workout to be really hard, and generate insane hype for their indoor circuit, and it worked. ON hype train made people believe that Klecker was going to run sub 13, that monson could beat Cranny, that Yared Nuguse could threaten an AR in the mile.
They still exceed this, but, they used a really hard workout to generate hype and indicate how fit they were
Most people missed the point that that workout wasn't that hard. It was a tuneup, they were all racing at the end of the week. It was a mile at 3k pace then some threshold, then some 200s. That's not crazy.
People are so bitter that he got a huge contract which he hadn't really earned. But the ones questioning why he isn't running faster are not fans who really think he can run faster. It is there way of ringing attention to his situation. I am a fan. I think he is maxed. Where is Maton? Where is Slagowski? Same talent but Hunter is competing and getting rich.
Wow. Sounds like medals. Is the year 2123 or 2023? To have a shot a making a US team, you have to be sub 3:32? Where did these 5 or 6 sub 3:32 guys come from? I don't think you follow the sport. Amd the US doesn't have 5 or 6 guys sub 13 either even you said a 13:00 guy has no chance to make the team. I think Young and Bosley have a chance and they haven't run sub 13.
Sub 13 guys: Klecker, Kincaid, Fisher, Chelimo.
Nur could definetly do it as well. Young and Bosley have absolutely 0 chance of making the team, but that's still more than Hunter.
I think he should go train with Mike Smith for 6 months and see what happens. I think while the coaching and environment might not be as lovely-dovy, it is what he needs. He is at a tipping point in his career. IMO if he doesn't make a team in the next 2 years he never will.
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Klecker literally ran sub 4 at 5000 ft as a warm up for threshold work, Monson ran 4:26. Dathan timed the workout to be really hard, and generate insane hype for their indoor circuit, and it worked. ON hype train made people believe that Klecker was going to run sub 13, that monson could beat Cranny, that Yared Nuguse could threaten an AR in the mile.
They still exceed this, but, they used a really hard workout to generate hype and indicate how fit they were
Most people missed the point that that workout wasn't that hard. It was a tuneup, they were all racing at the end of the week. It was a mile at 3k pace then some threshold, then some 200s. That's not crazy.
Lmao. Even Josh Kerr begrudgingly admitted on the Citius Mag "After the Final Lap" episode post-Millrose that the OAC's sub-4 workout at altitude was a good workout.
And here we have adobe on LetsRun advancing his expert opinion that the "workout wasn't that hard." The workout was a precursor to Klecker running sub-13 in a big PR. Good grief.
I think he should go train with Mike Smith for 6 months and see what happens. I think while the coaching and environment might not be as lovely-dovy, it is what he needs. He is at a tipping point in his career. IMO if he doesn't make a team in the next 2 years he never will.
Agreed. Drew would probably run 3:27ish for the 1500 and 12:40ish for the 5K after just a few months in Flag running with Mike Smith Elite.
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