When I hear the runners approaching me, i drunkenly swerve over at the last second and try to cause a collision with them. you don't really have to worry about getting hurt, most runners look like skeletons like that jacob ingerstein guy.
I wonder what the unintended consequences will be of the endless messaging - that young men and boys experience - that goes something like this:
You are seen as a potential predator, and therefore, you must at all times be aware of your ability to scare people with your presence alone.
I don't now how well it ever works out when you incessantly treat people like monsters.
Like that’s so hard. Women are constantly told to be aware of their safety. That it’s their responsibility to avoid being attacked. 4am or 10 pm running alone. In a sketch area. If it’s 2 in the afternoon, why were they running alone? we’re constantly making calculations. Should I leave cause there’s a drunk guy at this trailhead? This guy must be safe cause he’s walking his dog. Why is this guy out here in loafers with a stick?
Getting startled is the price people have to pay for not paying attention and walking around with their head buried in their phone with airpods in. Anyone who is actually alert (which IMO is your responsibility to yourself and others as a pedestrian) can hear your footsteps long before you're near them.
This and the walkers taking up the entire path that are completely shocked when someone is moving a faster pace then them. It’s worse on a bike but I’ll just give out a friendly “excuse me passing on your left thank you”. If they get upset at least I can say I tried to give a heads up.
Clearly you have no idea what living as a woman is like. We are literally harassed and assaulted by men throughout our entire lives.
I alert anyone, male or female, headphones or not, when I am about to pass them from behind. It's just common courtesy and prevents a possible collision if the person suddenly steps in front of me. Think about a time a cyclist has blown by you running without giving a warning.
Based on your posting history I really hope you find peace at some point in your life.
Yes, they are often alarmed toward evening in the park, or even during the day, when I pass them, despite my giving them a wide berth. They shriek out loud even when they are with their boyfriends. One even made a federal case of my not warning her. I wanted to say that not only do I not have a responsibility to announce my whereabouts in a public place, but that she ought to be more aware of her surroundings if she is frightened that she's going to be attacked around her boyfriend.
I will announce "on your left" when passing anyone. Man, woman, group. It seems curious and keeps them from being startled and maybe jumping into me.
"On your left" is something that runners and cyclists say, but something the general public isn't always used to hearing. That's why they have trouble comprehending what you saying in real time. I can imagine them first being startled by the voice, then have first thoughts like: Oh, someone is coming up behind me; left? what's on my left? or you want me to go to the left?
It would be less confusing to say, "(I am) passing you on your left." But even that requires someone else to think more than they need to think. What if they are walking on the left or left of center of the trail? Then maybe it would be easier for them to step off the left while you pass, but you are saying you want to pass that way. It just adds potential hesitation.
What you really want them to do is hold their line or let them move out of the way if its narrow, so take the "left" (or "right") out of the callout, and that eliminates confusion. If they aren't in the way, they'll hold their line. If they are in the way, slow down, let them move to one side, and then go by.
My go to when I think when I feel I need to provide a call out is just, "Hi".
Yes, they are often alarmed toward evening in the park, or even during the day, when I pass them, despite my giving them a wide berth. They shriek out loud even when they are with their boyfriends. One even made a federal case of my not warning her. I wanted to say that not only do I not have a responsibility to announce my whereabouts in a public place, but that she ought to be more aware of her surroundings if she is frightened that she's going to be attacked around her boyfriend.
Some people will be startled by any call out that you give because they are just not expecting anyone to be there. It's not your problem.
Do you guys not give a little call out when passing? I usually say "On your left" so they (men or women) know which way I'm going and don't jump out of the way right into me.
It's wierd that they are asking us to use a less useful phrase than "on your left" or "on your right".
Clearly you have no idea what living as a woman is like. We are literally harassed and assaulted by men throughout our entire lives.
I alert anyone, male or female, headphones or not, when I am about to pass them from behind. It's just common courtesy and prevents a possible collision if the person suddenly steps in front of me. Think about a time a cyclist has blown by you running without giving a warning.
Agree partially, but "on your left" or "on your right" is much more usefull than "I'm behind you" its like the campaign didn't think about the phrasing at all
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I will announce "on your left" when passing anyone. Man, woman, group. It seems curious and keeps them from being startled and maybe jumping into me.
"On your left" is something that runners and cyclists say, but something the general public isn't always used to hearing. That's why they have trouble comprehending what you saying in real time. I can imagine them first being startled by the voice, then have first thoughts like: Oh, someone is coming up behind me; left? what's on my left? or you want me to go to the left?
It would be less confusing to say, "(I am) passing you on your left." But even that requires someone else to think more than they need to think. What if they are walking on the left or left of center of the trail? Then maybe it would be easier for them to step off the left while you pass, but you are saying you want to pass that way. It just adds potential hesitation.
What you really want them to do is hold their line or let them move out of the way if its narrow, so take the "left" (or "right") out of the callout, and that eliminates confusion. If they aren't in the way, they'll hold their line. If they are in the way, slow down, let them move to one side, and then go by.
My go to when I think when I feel I need to provide a call out is just, "Hi".
'On your right' or 'on your left' is pretty standard everywhere bicycles are common (e.g. Europe and Australia). Every pedestrian knows what it means there. But maybe in cities where cyclists don't ever use footpaths, its less common. Not sure where you are from, but pedestrians generally get this phrase everywhere I've lived. So its easy just to use their terminology in places where people cycle, since everyone knows what it means.
"On your left" is something that runners and cyclists say, but something the general public isn't always used to hearing. That's why they have trouble comprehending what you saying in real time. I can imagine them first being startled by the voice, then have first thoughts like: Oh, someone is coming up behind me; left? what's on my left? or you want me to go to the left?
It would be less confusing to say, "(I am) passing you on your left." But even that requires someone else to think more than they need to think. What if they are walking on the left or left of center of the trail? Then maybe it would be easier for them to step off the left while you pass, but you are saying you want to pass that way. It just adds potential hesitation.
What you really want them to do is hold their line or let them move out of the way if its narrow, so take the "left" (or "right") out of the callout, and that eliminates confusion. If they aren't in the way, they'll hold their line. If they are in the way, slow down, let them move to one side, and then go by.
My go to when I think when I feel I need to provide a call out is just, "Hi".
'On your right' or 'on your left' is pretty standard everywhere bicycles are common (e.g. Europe and Australia). Every pedestrian knows what it means there. But maybe in cities where cyclists don't ever use footpaths, its less common. Not sure where you are from, but pedestrians generally get this phrase everywhere I've lived. So its easy just to use their terminology in places where people cycle, since everyone knows what it means.
I used to be an “on your right” guy but found it confused people so now I just go with the simpler “passing”
I don’t think it really matters provided you go early enough to give yourself time to react to whatever the pedestrian does and don’t rely on them to do what you’d expect.
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