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  • F**k

    THOUGHTSLEADER

    Member since 06/06/2018.

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    3 years ago 01/23/2023 4:31pm EST
    re: Weezer 1

    Weezer 1 wrote:

    I’d disagree regarding Klecker’s “fitness” and “able to get in the right race” last year. He had every chance to crack 13 in Brussels in September, but did not. Agree very much with your altitude synopsis, however. Well stated.

    Yeah, though he was in better form for the Bislett meet. It was won in 13:03 and missing most of the big names - it was probably not the spot OAC was hoping for. That was his chance really. I don’t think he was in better than 12:58-12:59 type shape from what we could tell at that point. Telahun Haile Bekele (the winner) is a good runner, but maxed out at 12:57 pretty much in Rome.

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    king999

    Member since 08/24/2003.

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    3 years ago 01/23/2023 4:37pm EST
    re: xczvxzcv

    xczvxzcv wrote:

    Living and training at altitude does not eliminate altitude conversions. If you're Kip Keino and you were born at altitude and you train there and your ancestors have lived at altitude for roughly 500-600 years, you're going to have a huge advantage over sea level runners at altitude but you're not going to be able to drop 8-10 seconds at sea level, whereas if you're guys who may not have grown up at altitude and whose ancestors were flatlanders, then you need to drop 5-6 seconds or more to convert to sea level. These guys are rolling. If Beamish couldn't stick with these guys, that does not indicate he's mentally weak or unfit. These guys are very, very good and in really good shape. Klecker is well ahead of where he was at the end of last season when he might have been fit enough to break 13 if he had been able to get in the right race (they were looking). Olli Hoare was Commonwealth Champ and ran 3:30 flat to win. Mario Garcia Romo was 4th at World's and ran 3:30. And Nuguse is a level above where he was last year. He looked smooth and more powerful in the legs>not kind of stretching out awkwardly with each stride anymore. Each of these guys ahead of Beamish is on target for a big season.

    I agree with all of that, but they are not guys who just happened to run a 1600 at altitude , as if they just were having a meet there. They are there the bulk of their bigger training blocks. pretty "well" adjusted? I think we might agree on. Plus, folks also need to know, if it's not been made clear..this was not a mile, it was 1.5 secs short of that. I am not giving any of these guys except Hoare and Nuguse a 3:52 mile off any of this, they can already run that.

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    king999

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    3 years ago 01/23/2023 4:39pm EST
    re: THOUGHTSLEADER

    THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

    Weezer 1 wrote:

    I’d disagree regarding Klecker’s “fitness” and “able to get in the right race” last year. He had every chance to crack 13 in Brussels in September, but did not. Agree very much with your altitude synopsis, however. Well stated.

    Yeah, though he was in better form for the Bislett meet. It was won in 13:03 and missing most of the big names - it was probably not the spot OAC was hoping for. That was his chance really. I don’t think he was in better than 12:58-12:59 type shape from what we could tell at that point. Telahun Haile Bekele (the winner) is a good runner, but maxed out at 12:57 pretty much in Rome.

    I also think Klecker can break 13 flat sooner than later, seems very fit.

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    THOUGHTSLEADER

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    3 years ago 01/23/2023 4:41pm EST
    re: king999

    king999 wrote:

    I agree with all of that, but they are not guys who just happened to run a 1600 at altitude , as if they just were having a meet there. They are there the bulk of their bigger training blocks. pretty "well" adjusted? I think we might agree on. Plus, folks also need to know, if it's not been made clear..this was not a mile, it was 1.5 secs short of that. I am not giving any of these guys except Hoare and Nuguse a 3:52 mile off any of this, they can already run that.

    Yeah not only a 1600, but a rolling start for one. Everyone is pretty much at top speed when they pass the cone marking the start. You could probably add 2 seconds for the mile as a result…

  • Dang.gd

    Anonymous Poster

    3 years ago 01/23/2023 4:42pm EST
    re: king999

    It's pretty exciting to see a training group that sized run a group workout like that, and to think that group didn't even include the guy who won 4 NCAA titles in his senior year.

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    king999

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    3 years ago 01/23/2023 4:49pm EST
    re: xczvxzcv

    xczvxzcv wrote:

    Living and training at altitude does not eliminate altitude conversions. If you're Kip Keino and you were born at altitude and you train there and your ancestors have lived at altitude for roughly 500-600 years, you're going to have a huge advantage over sea level runners at altitude but you're not going to be able to drop 8-10 seconds at sea level, whereas if you're guys who may not have grown up at altitude and whose ancestors were flatlanders, then you need to drop 5-6 seconds or more to convert to sea level. These guys are rolling. If Beamish couldn't stick with these guys, that does not indicate he's mentally weak or unfit. These guys are very, very good and in really good shape. Klecker is well ahead of where he was at the end of last season when he might have been fit enough to break 13 if he had been able to get in the right race (they were looking). Olli Hoare was Commonwealth Champ and ran 3:30 flat to win. Mario Garcia Romo was 4th at World's and ran 3:30. And Nuguse is a level above where he was last year. He looked smooth and more powerful in the legs>not kind of stretching out awkwardly with each stride anymore. Each of these guys ahead of Beamish is on target for a big season.

    Just to be clear on Kip Keino, his all time PR was AT Mexico city in 3:34.x, he never ran faster, he gets ZERO conversion..he lived his whole life at altitude, his next nearest faster mark ever is 3:36.x. That (3:34.89)is his PR and that includes everything including mile conversions down. Ryun ran 3:37.89 at Mex City and NO ONE alive is giving him anywhere near 7 seconds..He ran the event tons of times and his All Time PR at sea level or anywhere was 3:33.x, none of his miles convert faster than that 3:31 either. And I am a huge Jim Ryun fan. Keino hardly ever, if ever, beat him anywhere else when Ryun was right.

    Conversions are funny and mostly used when they suit anyone's argument of the day. Not you xczvxzcy...you are an incredibly knowledgeable poster!

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    king999

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    3 years ago 01/23/2023 5:18pm EST
    re: king999

    king999 wrote:

    xczvxzcv wrote:

    Living and training at altitude does not eliminate altitude conversions. If you're Kip Keino and you were born at altitude and you train there and your ancestors have lived at altitude for roughly 500-600 years, you're going to have a huge advantage over sea level runners at altitude but you're not going to be able to drop 8-10 seconds at sea level, whereas if you're guys who may not have grown up at altitude and whose ancestors were flatlanders, then you need to drop 5-6 seconds or more to convert to sea level. These guys are rolling. If Beamish couldn't stick with these guys, that does not indicate he's mentally weak or unfit. These guys are very, very good and in really good shape. Klecker is well ahead of where he was at the end of last season when he might have been fit enough to break 13 if he had been able to get in the right race (they were looking). Olli Hoare was Commonwealth Champ and ran 3:30 flat to win. Mario Garcia Romo was 4th at World's and ran 3:30. And Nuguse is a level above where he was last year. He looked smooth and more powerful in the legs>not kind of stretching out awkwardly with each stride anymore. Each of these guys ahead of Beamish is on target for a big season.

    Just to be clear on Kip Keino, his all time PR was AT Mexico city in 3:34.x, he never ran faster, he gets ZERO conversion..he lived his whole life at altitude, his next nearest faster mark ever is 3:36.x. That (3:34.89)is his PR and that includes everything including mile conversions down. Ryun ran 3:37.89 at Mex City and NO ONE alive is giving him anywhere near 7 seconds..He ran the event tons of times and his All Time PR at sea level or anywhere was 3:33.x, none of his miles convert faster than that 3:31 either. And I am a huge Jim Ryun fan. Keino hardly ever, if ever, beat him anywhere else when Ryun was right.

    Conversions are funny and mostly used when they suit anyone's argument of the day. Not you xczvxzcy...you are an incredibly knowledgeable poster!

    Hiw could somebody down vote my last post

    none if it is even marginally debatable lol

  • Dr. Sarcasm, MD. Ph.D.

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    3 years ago 01/23/2023 6:36pm EST
    re: Dr. Biomech

    Dr. Biomech wrote:

    I<3Running12345 wrote:

    Workout in Kelcker’s Strava says:

    1600: 3:57 (2:02,1:55) 6 guys all at or under 3:57/3:58

    10 min walk/jog

    3x2k w/ 1 min rest: 6:12, 6:03, 5:55

    4x200 28-29

    is this the craziest workout you’ve ever seen? What are these guys about to do?

    assuming he’s referring to himself, Geordie, Mario, Olli, Yared

    No? Looks like a mile time trial followed by 2k's @ slower than 10k (very doable).

    Dr. I suggest you look up the elevation this workout was performed at & do you're research on how that might affect aveolar O2 tension. Good day.

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    Dr. Biomech

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    3 years ago 01/23/2023 7:01pm EST
    re: Dr. Sarcasm, MD. Ph.D.

    Dr. Sarcasm, MD. Ph.D. wrote:

    Dr. Biomech wrote:

    No? Looks like a mile time trial followed by 2k's @ slower than 10k (very doable).

    Dr. I suggest you look up the elevation this workout was performed at & do you're research on how that might affect aveolar O2 tension. Good day.

    I love a good anonymous poster lol. If you actually want to know my thoughts on how the physiology was altered at 5,300 ft of elevation, I'd be glad to give you my thoughts.

    I'm not sure which part of my original post upset you but feel free to leave your email and I'll be sure to reach out.

  • Let Salazar Coach

    Anonymous Poster

    3 years ago 01/23/2023 7:37pm EST
    re: HSCoach1235

    HSCoach1235 wrote:

    Weird workout. Basically a mile race followed by 2ks at tempo pace flame then some 200s. Would be interested in understanding the benefits of a workout like this and if it can be applied to a high schooler.

    Probably straight out of Albertos book.

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    james coleman

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    3 years ago 01/23/2023 8:20pm EST
    re: I<3Running12345

    Stupid workout. The Kenyans they're supposed to be competing against would've done the 1ks in 5:20.

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    Rekt

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    3 years ago 01/23/2023 9:51pm EST
    re: I<3Running12345

    Google El G and Bekele workouts

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    Lenny Leonard

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    3 years ago 01/23/2023 10:05pm EST
    re: dis

    dis wrote:

    Hot Takes wrote:

    I could do all of that except for the mile. So to me it looks like a mile time trial, a near full recovery (10 minutes is quite a bit), 3 x tempo/LT 2k's, and then a few 200's around mile pace again. This tells me that they are in roughly 3:52-3:54 mile race shape. That's very good, but the rest of the workout is modest, it's all about the mile to start it off.

    The times themselves don't really tell the whole story.

    In college, one of our staple XC workouts was 6x6mins @ threshold w/ 90s rest. By the end of the third rep, you legs and lungs are burning pretty good. I couldn't imagine doing an all-out mile race, and then having to start that workout with less rest 10 minutes later. This workout was impressive.

    The 2k reps were much slower than threshold. Their threshold pace would be closer to 5:36, maybe adjusted slightly slower for altitude.

    6:12 for a 2k is slower than MP for these guys.

  • Wiggin' for Clams

    Anonymous Poster

    3 years ago 01/23/2023 10:25pm EST
    re: Dr. Biomech

    Dr. Biomech wrote:

    I love a good anonymous poster lol. If you actually want to know my thoughts on how the physiology was altered at 5,300 ft of elevation, I'd be glad to give you my thoughts.

    Yes, please share your thoughts!

  • Jgt11

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    3 years ago 01/23/2023 10:25pm EST
    re: Rekt

    Rekt wrote:

    Google El G and Bekele workouts

    True, if you gave either of these guys 10 minutes rest they would be able to do another sub 4 mile

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    Coloradoclimber

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    3 years ago 01/23/2023 11:29pm EST
    re: I<3Running12345

    I<3Running12345 wrote:

    Not to be an apologist, but the majority of them are not Americans

    So you're saying Americans aren't fast enough to do the same workout or don't have the work ethic to try?

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    ceccione

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    3 years ago 01/24/2023 12:02am EST
    re: Dr. Biomech

    Dr. Biomech wrote:

    I<3Running12345 wrote:

    Workout in Kelcker’s Strava says:

    1600: 3:57 (2:02,1:55) 6 guys all at or under 3:57/3:58

    10 min walk/jog

    3x2k w/ 1 min rest: 6:12, 6:03, 5:55

    4x200 28-29

    is this the craziest workout you’ve ever seen? What are these guys about to do?

    assuming he’s referring to himself, Geordie, Mario, Olli, Yared

    No? Looks like a mile time trial followed by 2k's @ slower than 10k (very doable).

    Go up to Boulder and see for yourself

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    SloppyJoe

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    3 years ago 01/24/2023 1:45am EST
    re: I<3Running12345

    Best part about this entire post is that these guys ran Sub 4 in a workout and looked smooth and were very humble about it. Sam Parsons spiked up and tried racing it last week and came up just short of Breaking4

    OAC >>>>>> Tinjobs

  • qqqqqqqz

    Anonymous Poster

    3 years ago 01/24/2023 2:21am EST
    re: Hot Takes

    Hot Takes wrote:

    I could do all of that except for the mile. So to me it looks like a mile time trial, a near full recovery (10 minutes is quite a bit), 3 x tempo/LT 2k's, and then a few 200's around mile pace again. This tells me that they are in roughly 3:52-3:54 mile race shape. That's very good, but the rest of the workout is modest, it's all about the mile to start it off.

    And I can do all that after running a sub 30 10k while eating eight Big Macs.

    Seriously, who gives a fck what you can do?

  • John Wesley Harding

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    3 years ago 01/24/2023 2:37am EST
    re: james coleman

    james coleman wrote:

    Stupid workout. The Kenyans they're supposed to be competing against would've done the 1ks in 5:20.

    I assume you mean the 2ks. But the funny thing is that Ollie Hoare beat the best from Kenya to win the Commonwealth Games, Garcia Romo beat Kenya’s best at the Olympics for 4th place, and both of them would have ranked #2 for Kenya in season’s bests. Klecker can’t compete with the very best from Kenya at 5k/10k yet, but he’s on the right track and has made huge strides since college. I think they know what they’re doing.

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