I see plenty of ebike riders zip by and very few are pedaling. However, a New Yorker article by Patricia Marx claims that studies say ebike riders with pedal assist get more of a workout than regular cyclists because they end up riding longer and more frequently.
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zxcvzvxc wrote:
I see plenty of ebike riders zip by and very few are pedaling. However, a New Yorker article by Patricia Marx claims that studies say ebike riders with pedal assist get more of a workout than regular cyclists because they end up riding longer and more frequently.
Right. very few regular bikers go into zone 3. it is mostly zone 1 and 2. So if you are only doing mild aerobic fitness either way, why not enjoy it with an e-bike which gets you out the door much more often for longer rides. It’s a great supplement to serious running.
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zxcvzvxc wrote:
I see plenty of ebike riders zip by and very few are pedaling. However, a New Yorker article by Patricia Marx claims that studies say ebike riders with pedal assist get more of a workout than regular cyclists because they end up riding longer and more frequently.
So I am getting more exercise than a runner by driving my car in traffic all day pressing the clutch, brake and gas?
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The cost of a bike is the main reason why I've never felt the least bit guilty for buying a pair of Vaporflys. You can get the best racing shoes in the world for less than £200 if you wait for the sales. A decent bike is four figures at a minimum and then you need to pay for maintenance, tyres, etc.
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High hopes wrote:
The cost of a bike is the main reason why I've never felt the least bit guilty for buying a pair of Vaporflys. You can get the best racing shoes in the world for less than £200 if you wait for the sales. A decent bike is four figures at a minimum and then you need to pay for maintenance, tyres, etc.
Do you throw away your bike after 130 miles?
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$10k-$20k Bicycles Are The New Normal wrote:
Ebike guy wrote:
Plus people that are sedentary will get on an ebike when they might not get on a regular bike. That is a plus.
The only time I've seen that is when they override the bike computer so they don't even need to pedal, turning the bicycle into an illegal moped. Face the facts, obese Americans are still obese even after buying an "e-bike" because they are not buying them to exercise.
A little push back here. I have several friends who got ebikes during COVID. They would go for hour rides on them whereas they all also had bikes that were in their garages never being ridden. So rather than sitting for an hour, they would be riding for an hour. This makes them, in this regard, superior workout to their regular bikes.
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High hopes wrote:
The cost of a bike is the main reason why I've never felt the least bit guilty for buying a pair of Vaporflys. You can get the best racing shoes in the world for less than £200 if you wait for the sales. A decent bike is four figures at a minimum and then you need to pay for maintenance, tyres, etc.
Most of the maintenance you should be able to do on your own. I am guessing tires (whatever "tyres" are :) last thousands of miles (tubes maybe less depending). Let's say you buy a bike for 2000 pounds. If the Vaporflys cost you 200 then 10 pairs of them is the equivalent and after that you are in the hole. 10 pairs last you 2 years? 3 Years? The bike will keep on going.
Seems like the economics of the bike are superior over 5 years or more.
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Ebike guy wrote:
If you like a more road bile/gravel bike, help yourself this beauty and tell Trek to keep their ridiculous $13K ebike with inferior battery, motor.
Perhaps not worth an extra $8k but the Domane+ SLR 9 is:
1. About 11 lbs. lighter
2. Doesn’t require shipping back to the manufacturer for warranty work
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High hopes wrote:
The cost of a bike is the main reason why I've never felt the least bit guilty for buying a pair of Vaporflys. You can get the best racing shoes in the world for less than £200 if you wait for the sales. A decent bike is four figures at a minimum and then you need to pay for maintenance, tyres, etc.
Do you run to save money or because you enjoy it? I expect the latter which makes dissing bikes due to the cost a strange decision if you are someone who enjoys cycling and has a modest amount of spare cash. Further, unlike most runners, many cyclists actually do save a significant amount of money by cycling. Case in point, my wife and I got by with a single car for several years (before kids) because I biked to work. Yes, my bike cost a few thousand dollars but my maintenance costs were tires, chains, and cassettes to the tune of maybe $700 over ~25,000 miles. It was the best of both worlds for me: enjoying the ride and saving money (relative to buying a second car and all its associated costs).
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ebike users are the ultimate sissies, and most of the bikes are heavy or fat-tired and obviously inefficient.
They may go faster than a road bike, but so what, if you're gonna do that you need signal lights and a helmet, might as well get a motorcycle.
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samcallan wrote:
$10k-$20k Bicycles Are The New Normal wrote:
The only time I've seen that is when they override the bike computer so they don't even need to pedal, turning the bicycle into an illegal moped. Face the facts, obese Americans are still obese even after buying an "e-bike" because they are not buying them to exercise.
A little push back here. I have several friends who got ebikes during COVID. They would go for hour rides on them whereas they all also had bikes that were in their garages never being ridden. So rather than sitting for an hour, they would be riding for an hour. This makes them, in this regard, superior workout to their regular bikes.Along those lines.
So instead of them sitting on their butts on a couch, they instead sit on their butts on a bike seat while still doing no exercise since the motor does all the work. Case in point, the study you linked to could not make a definitive link between e-bikes and improved cardiovascular health.
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Ebike guy wrote:
High hopes wrote:
The cost of a bike is the main reason why I've never felt the least bit guilty for buying a pair of Vaporflys. You can get the best racing shoes in the world for less than £200 if you wait for the sales. A decent bike is four figures at a minimum and then you need to pay for maintenance, tyres, etc.
Do you throw away your bike after 130 miles?
to be fair, a bicycle isn't analogous to shoes. Tires = shoes. guess which one of those lasts more miles?
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Bio Dome wrote:
Ebike guy wrote:
Do you throw away your bike after 130 miles?
to be fair, a bicycle isn't analogous to shoes. Tires = shoes. guess which one of those lasts more miles?
The shoes last longer. Ever watched a bike race? There are tire punctures all the time, you are lucky to go a few hundred miles on race day tires without puncturing because they are made thin to reduce rolling resistance. When was the last time you saw Kipchoge get a puncture in his shoes during a marathon?
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$10k-$20k Bicycles Are The New Normal wrote:
Bio Dome wrote:
to be fair, a bicycle isn't analogous to shoes. Tires = shoes. guess which one of those lasts more miles?
The shoes last longer. Ever watched a bike race? There are tire punctures all the time, you are lucky to go a few hundred miles on race day tires without puncturing because they are made thin to reduce rolling resistance. When was the last time you saw Kipchoge get a puncture in his shoes during a marathon?
What is a race day tire? my bicycle tires last for years. I might replace the tube if i get a flat, but that's just because they are infrequent and i'm too lazy to patch the tubes.
Not sure about a puncture, but Kipchoe did win Berlin in 2015 with his insoles falling out of his nikes...
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Bio Dome wrote:
What is a race day tire? my bicycle tires last for years. I might replace the tube if i get a flat, but that's just because they are infrequent and i'm too lazy to patch the tubes.
A race day tire is a tire made so thin and light for performance that to ride one is a form of fat shaming since overweight riders would not be able to use them. If your bike tires last for years, you either don't ride very much or your tires are slow and thick like Kim Kardashian.
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$10k-$20k Bicycles Are The New Normal wrote:
you are lucky to go a few hundred miles on race day tires without puncturing because they are made thin to reduce rolling resistance.
Now you are posting in ignorant ignorance. High pressure road tires get fewer punctures because there's far less area in contact with the surface, compared to a big fat MTB tire of the type I mentioned before.
Try this experiment, get a big thing and a little thing and go around slamming them on the pavement and see which one gets sharp things in it first. It only takes one sharp thing.11 -
$10K-$20K bikes are not the new normal wrote:
$10k-$20k Bicycles Are The New Normal wrote:
...when $10k-$20k bicycles are the new normal that you see on all the cycling sites, and that's not an exaggeration.
I bike a lot. I have road bikes, a cyclocross bike, and a hardtail mountain bike. The 4 of those bikes combined don't come close to adding up to $20,000. I also ride motocross and ride a Suzuki RM-Z250. That bike replaced was old Husqvarna 250 that I had for years. The Suzuki was just a bit over $8000.
That said, saying that $10k-$20k are the "new normal" is an exaggeration. Bikes that expensive are for poseurs that are not nearly as good at cycling as they think they are, or for professionals that are not buying their bikes. Bike companies know that their are people out there willing to spend a lot of money on bikes that they don't need. It's the same for cars, boats, kitchen appliances, or just about any other product that you can think of. Most of those spending that kid of loot on a bike would do just as well on a bike costing $1000. Actually, there are a ton of high quality bikes out there that are fantastic and cost less than $2000.
Just ride and don't worry about trying to emulate the professionals.
I agree most people are not spending that much on a bike but the bike industry shot itself in the foot my pricing the average consumer out of the market - most people these days are opting for an e-bike over spending $3k on a trek or cannonade
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Bad Wigins wrote:
ebike users are the ultimate sissies, and most of the bikes are heavy or fat-tired and obviously inefficient.
They may go faster than a road bike, but so what, if you're gonna do that you need signal lights and a helmet, might as well get a motorcycle.
Don't get me started about e-motorcycles, what a joke
I know a lot of sissies
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True, you are able to ride an ebike like a motorcycle with the motor doing all the work. But for those that want to use an ebike for exercise as well as for traveling farther and faster than they would be able to on a regular bike it is certainly possible. I do it all the time. So tired of so called bicycle "purists" that think having some pedal assist is "cheating"! First off, with pedal assist set to a lower level I need to pedal all the time in order for the motor to be working. I am able to go on daily rides of 20 to 25 miles, keep my heart rate up and work the muscles. When I was younger I could ride all day and it would not bother me at all. Now that I'm in my 70s I can no longer do the same amount of exercise. I started avoiding certain roads and places to cycle in because of hills. Now, hills no longer exist for me. For many, many people that enjoy biking, but due to age or some physical malady can no longer bike without some help, ebikes are a god send. Uphill or level terain... which do you prefer? Most people would chose to ride without getting worn out climbing hills I think.
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Cornpop wrote:
WTF is a 'gravel bike', anyway? A mountain bike with ridiculously large tires?
It's a rigid mountain bike with drop bars. A hardtail mountain bike is a much better option, as it can actually take on trails and is nearly just as fast on gravel (especially if it's rough).
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